<div dir="auto">I will try to check the latest castle-model-viewer and castle-model-converter. If they ignores the missing joints field, we’re good.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, I will look at joints in X3DUOM to see if the joints field is required.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 1:41 PM Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">Hi John,</p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">‘joints’ is that silly field child of Humanoid that lists the Joint nodes with a list collection of USE notations. </p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">‘joints’ is not a field of skeleton. It is a field of Humanoid. </p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">So, Humanoid and Joint are nodes while skeleton is a node type</p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">(otherwise called a 'container') </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">Same as the keyword 'geometry' is a node type and IndexedFaceSet is a node name.</p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">skin is also a container, could be called a node type. </p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">The node type says what node names can appear in the container.</p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">The node name says what data is in the node. </p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">So: </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">There are two container fields for HAnimJoint, ‘skeleton’ (for the first one, the root),<br>and ‘children’ (default for the rest of the Joint hierarchy).<br> <br>See, when you look at the Classic, the name of the 'nodetype' (containerfield) is the first text and then in the xml it gets to be containerfield='nodetype'</p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1"><br>Done that way to eliminate the need for wrapper tags (maybe called container tags) in the xml, if I recall. </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">In xml, we get an attr rather than a tag; thank goodness for all good favors.</p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">All Fine,</p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">Joe</p>
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<div dir="auto">Correction.</div>
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<div dir="auto">There are three container fields for HAnimJoint, ‘skeleton’, ‘children’ (default) and ‘joints’. I don’t disagree with Joe.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Until tools ignore the missing joints field, it’s still with us.</div>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Only the first Joint, root, has containerField 'skeleton' </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1;font-family:arial,sans-serif">All other child Joints are containerField 'children' </p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1;font-family:arial,sans-serif">the keyword 'skeleton' is not a Node, it is a container, a type </p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Classic</p>
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<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> skeleton [<br> DEF Joe_HumanoidRoot ...Joint ...</p>
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HAnimHumanoid is a node, not a type.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suppose I could do a quick check to see if the root node in the ‘skeleton’ field has DEF=’somestring’ defined. And if so, and only then perform the flip.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That would make it more portable.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" rel="noopener" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> <br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, March 5, 2025 11:50 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> Bergstrom, Aaron <<a href="mailto:aaron.bergstrom@und.edu" rel="noopener" target="_blank">aaron.bergstrom@und.edu</a>><br><strong>Cc:</strong> X3D Ecosystem public discussion <<a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" rel="noopener" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [X3D-Ecosystem] RawKee Update - Implemented a companion export script for x3d.py</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just to be aware, if skeleton comes before joints, then this code would flip them. You need to compare jIdx to sIdx before flipping them, AFAIK. I realize that you’ve ordered them properly elsewhere.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">if nType == "HAnimHumanoid":</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0.5in">for idx in range(len(mNodeList)):</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1in;text-indent:0.5in">jIdx = idx</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1in;text-indent:0.5in">sIdx = idx</p>
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