<div><div><div dir="auto">Don, let me try to clarify, I use x3dpsail.py as the file which loads X3DJSAIL into GraalPy. It’s not another API or package, it’s a binding.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The original x3dpsail.py dates from before x3d.py, remember when I was working on the pyjnius python interface to X3DJSAIL, for example, here: <div><a href="https://github.com/carlsonsolutiondesign/x3dpsail/blob/master/x3dpsail.py" target="_blank">https://github.com/carlsonsolutiondesign/x3dpsail/blob/master/x3dpsail.py</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Obviously, I don’t want to quibble about any x3d trademarks. I suggest that I rename the file to ex3d.py or ex3dpsail.py? Maybe you should talk to AMD about trademarks? I’m not making any money off any names.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also recall that I gave up the original x3d python package name that I registered. I can be gracious. There’s no registered x3dpsail package that I know of, so there’s no confusion. If you care to look at my x3dpsail.py now, you will see bunch of references to Java code bindings. There’s no science to it. <span style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">What I’m trying to say is, it’s impossible to use x3dpsail.py without X3DJSAIL. There’s not going to be an official python package, unless web3d supports it.</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyway, x3dpsail.py sits on top of X3DJSAIL, hence it’s aptly named. I found commercially supported python on top of the JVM. Getting off pyjnius and onto GraalPy was a great move, and Java’s XML handling is as good as python’s. I can’t say that GraalPy’s python packages have great XML support on Windows. Maybe more recently.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can I read any encoding into x3d.py yet? Can I produce good JSON from x3d.py? That’s why I continue to push X3DJSAIL, and languages related to Java. X3DJSAIL’s ability to validate DOM remains key to validating X3D JSON with XML schema, X3DJSAIL and eventually schematron. Also, X3DJSAIL’s JSON stylesheets are great!</div><div dir="auto"> <br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Pretty much whatever you want me to do is ok, it’s going to be confusing if google continues to refer to X3DPSAIL’s GitHub repository as outdated code. Obviously you want to point to the python x3d package on sourceforge.</div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What I really wanted was a way to distinguish the GraalPy’s X3Dautoclass.py from Pyjnius’. So I gave it an “unused” filename that was familiar. I can go back to autoclass, if desired, since Pyjnius is retired. I needed a way to distinguish GraalPy from Pyjnius so people wouldn’t confuse the files. x3dpsail.py was unused at the time. So great, you’re arguing about a filename.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think you would agree that X3DJSAIL is preferred over x3d.py?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Do you want me to remove the X3D trademark from everything? Just plainly state that.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John <br></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:43 PM Don Brutzman <<a href="mailto:don.brutzman@gmail.com" target="_blank">don.brutzman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">John, thanks for all efforts but am not sure what you are doing. It is not a good idea to call a different codebase exactly the same name as the original.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps yours is a different fork? Or something quite different? Please come up with a different way to refer to it.</div><div><br></div><div>The original X3DPSAIL x3d.py remains available as follows. It is currently up to date, with further modifications possible in September. Each release goes through an extensive testing and review process.</div><div><ul><li>Python X3D Package x3d.py</li><li>X3D Python Scene Access Interface Library (X3DPSAIL)</li><li><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/python/python.html" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/python/python.html</a></li><li><a href="https://pypi.org/project/x3d" target="_blank">https://pypi.org/project/x3d</a></li><li>latest release 15 JAN 2025, exactly matching the X3D 4.0 Architecture International Standard (IS)</li></ul><div>If you have been working on any of the open TODO items listed on the X3DPSAIL page, I'll be happy to look at them when the spotlight of effort comes around again.</div><div><br></div><div>Very respectfully yours, Don</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 6:11 PM John Carlson via X3D-Ecosystem <<a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I just discovered that x3dpsail.py could not be downloaded from a X3DJSONLD 12, here: <div><a href="https://coderextreme.net/X3DJSONLD/src/main/html/responsive.html" target="_blank">https://coderextreme.net/X3DJSONLD/src/main/html/responsive.html</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So I am making it available here:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://github.com/coderextreme/X3DJSONLD/blob/master/src/main/graalpy/net/coderextreme/data/x3dpsail.py" target="_blank">https://github.com/coderextreme/X3DJSONLD/blob/master/src/main/graalpy/net/coderextreme/data/x3dpsail.py</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is for use with GraalVM’s GraalPy, available here:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://github.com/oracle/graalpython/releases/tag/graal-24.2.2" target="_blank">https://github.com/oracle/graalpython/releases/tag/graal-24.2.2</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">I use this version:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://github.com/oracle/graalpython/releases/download/graal-24.2.2/graalpy-community-jvm-24.2.2-windows-amd64.zip" style="text-decoration:none;max-width:100%;min-width:0px;font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui","noto sans",helvetica,arial,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji";font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)" target="_blank"><span style="min-width:1ch;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui","noto sans",helvetica,arial,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji"">graalpy-community-jvm-24.2.2-windows-amd64.zip</span></a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">The JVM is for accessing Java code (X3DJSAIL).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Apologies for the oversight.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I will publish a blog post.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div>
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