<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><p style="margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; white-space: normal; float: none; display: inline;">overloading HAnimHumanoid skin field with a new node name</span> </p>
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<p style="margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">Please don't think that way. This prospective node must be aimed at Part 2 as an import of a glTF model that is just an extension of BVH. It has a skeleton (relative joint locations) and the rest, but it is not an HAnim skeleton so it should be imported like a BVH in Part 2, </p>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks, Don, for the reference to Holger’s work. As of a month ago, the export of “Future Bike” is still not exporting well from Blender because there are 2 hierarchies, one for transforms+meshes, and one for bones(joints)+meshes. Parenting a mesh to a bone apparently works on export, but animations also are laggard. Eventually, we will want to parent HAnimSegments and HAnimSites that are not quite in Blender yet to bones(joints).</div>
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<div dir="auto">I will continue with this problem until I give up, if anyone wants to lend a hand.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 5:57 PM Don Brutzman via X3D-Ecosystem <<a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Yes, thanks for minutes, super helpful. Sorry I missed the meeting, will like more carefully for invitation for next meeting.</div>
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<div>a. The "Castle Skin node" is an extension for that player. A number of us looked carefully at that in a meeting. There are some issues (e.g. overloading HAnimHumanoid skin field with a new node name) and relevant opportunities for further development to match the emerging examples for Coveroid design (i.e. clothing and apparel matching a Humanoid). It will not be added as a draft node to the spec without further improvements, such as naming and more general purpose and not adding "node bloat" if there is no gap to be fixed.</div>
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<li>[hanim] Michalis Kamburelis to describe glTF conversion to X3D as experimental Skin node; Friday 12 DEC 2025, 09-1000 pacific</li>
<li><a href="https://web3d.org/mailman/private/h-anim_web3d.org/2025-December/002563.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://web3d.org/mailman/private/h-anim_web3d.org/2025-December/002563.html</a></li>
<li>I thought we recorded it on YouTube but am not finding link...</li>
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<div>b. As you map various Maya materials to X3D, please use the existing standard PBR nodes: <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4.1-CD/Part01/components/shape.html#PhysicalMaterial" target="_blank" rel="noopener">PhysicalMaterial</a> and <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4.1-CD/Part01/components/shape.html#UnlitMaterial" target="_blank" rel="noopener">UnlitMaterial</a><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">. As you do each of your conversion exports, please consider creating a simple set of test cases (Maya source or glTF source) that we can publish in the X3D Example Archives. Such examples always answer a lot of questions.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">With the addition of Tangent node and EnvironmentLight nodes in X3D draft v4.1, we really have immense overlap and interoperability with glTF.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">c. Thanks for returning Holger's X_ITE work on </span></div>
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<li><a href="https://create3000.github.io/x_ite/laboratory/gltf-sample-viewer/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://create3000.github.io/x_ite/laboratory/gltf-sample-viewer</a></li>
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<div>Recommendation: let's convert all of the materials into a new examples directory, making them easily available for Inline IMPORT or prototype reuse in other X3D scenes.</div>
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<div>Example approaches we did back in VRML days, still working (with material choices selectable, embedded in X3D-Edit authoring tool):</div>
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<li>X3D Example Archives: Basic, Universal Media Materials</li>
<li><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/UniversalMediaMaterials" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/UniversalMediaMaterials</a></li>
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<li>X3D Example Archives: Basic, Universal Media Panoramas</li>
<li><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/UniversalMediaPanoramas" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/UniversalMediaPanoramas</a></li>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">We have amazing capabilities in X3D and HAnim, happy to demonstrate continuing improvement. Have fun! 😀</span></div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Thanks for the minutes! It was good to see you all.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">From my side, I confirm the TODOs for me recorded in the minutes (1. allow Group in Skin.shapes, 2. material extensions). Stay tuned :)</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Regards,</div>
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<div>On Tuesday, January 13th, 2026 at 18:48, Bergstrom, Aaron via X3D-Ecosystem <<a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can find the Ecosystem Minutes for today’s meeting here:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AbYjCP1s25fSXqx6Xt-_uQ6dVSKVYpNzqbTlwWS6p8s/edit?usp=drive_link" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AbYjCP1s25fSXqx6Xt-_uQ6dVSKVYpNzqbTlwWS6p8s/edit?usp=drive_link</a></p>
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<li style="margin-left: 0in;">Global / Scoped Lighting in regard to DCC meshes with multiple materials that get exported as separate “Shape” nodes.</li>
<li style="margin-left: 0in;">PBR Discussions with the glTF DamanagedHelmet example in Maya</li>
<li style="margin-left: 0in;">Character Joint Heirarchies / Center Fields</li>
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