[X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)

Tue Mar 1 16:23:44 PST 2011

HI Lauren,
the latest version is at:

http://www.web3d.org/x3d/specifications/ISO-IEC-19775-1.2-X3D-AbstractSpecification/Part01/components/hanim.html

It is section 26 in the X3D abstract spec.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GLG" <info at 3dnetproductions.com>
To: "'Joe D Williams'" <joedwil at earthlink.net>; "'Sven-Erik Tiberg'" 
<Sven-Erik.Tiberg at ltu.se>; <npolys at vt.edu>; <x3d-public at web3d.org>
Cc: <luca.chittaro at uniud.it>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)

>
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> While we are on the subject, I have asked you this before
> but I think you missed it. There is a link at
>
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/workgroups/h-anim/
>
> for ISO-IEC-19775 X3D Component 26 Humanoid Animation
> (H-Anim) which describes H-Anim interfaces in terms of the
> X3D scenegraph...
>
> That link is broken. Where else can I obtain this? If I am
> asking the wrong person then, can someone else help?
>
> Apologies for hijacking this thread, maybe I am not
> getting this right, but, I have difficulties getting
> around my head how server side rasterization can work with
> X3D other than with the MovieTexture node.
>
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org [mailto:x3d-public-
>>bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of Joe D Williams
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:09 PM
>>To: Sven-Erik Tiberg; npolys at vt.edu; x3d-public at web3d.org
>>Cc: luca.chittaro at uniud.it
>>Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sven-Erik Tiberg" <Sven-Erik.Tiberg at ltu.se>
>>To: <npolys at vt.edu>; <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>Cc: <luca.chittaro at uniud.it>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:14 AM
>>Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)
>>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> A note.
>>> Would it be possible to create a object similar to
>>dynamic h-anim,
>>> looking and behaving like a moose.
>>
>>THe basis for h-anim comes from general-purpose
>>hierarchical animation
>>needs. That is, the shoulder joint is connected to the
>>elbow joint,
>>for example, such that when the shoulder joint is moved,
>>then the
>>elbow joint is translated accordingly as expected. To
>>follow the same
>>technique for a different character, just position the
>>joints and
>>segments you chose to use depending upon the level of
>>articulation you
>>need in skeleton space then build the skin in skin space
>>(hopefully
>>the same as skeleton space), connect it up and animate
>>the thing.
>>
>>>
>>> No I'm not kidding, in the future we hope to create a
>>X3D-sceen for
>>> driver simulator with "living" moose and reindeers (
>>they are not so
>>> exotic up here but more real and a hazard on the roads
>>).
>>> Could be that the same motion pattern can be used for
>>deers and elks
>>> and ..
>>
>>possibly. Note that the selection of initial binding time
>>joint
>>rotation is important.
>>
>>Good Luck and Best Regards,
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>>
>>> /Sven-Erik Tiberg
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org
>>> [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>>Sven-Erik Tiberg
>>> Sent: den 1 mars 2011 08:51
>>> To: npolys at vt.edu; x3d-public at web3d.org
>>> Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation
>>(RMI)
>>>
>>>
>>> If there are a need for extending the h-anim kinematic
>>capacity I
>>> would have a look at Modelica https://www.modelica.org/
>>And  (
>>> openmodelica ) https://www.modelica.org/ for
>>calculation of dynamic
>>> behavior.
>>>
>>> IMHO it would not be impossible to interface an
>>openmodelica model
>>> that runs in Real Time to a X3D sceen.
>>>
>>> On animiation of human I would like to suggest that you
>>take a look
>>> at http://hcilab.uniud.it/index.html  and it's editor
>>H-Animator
>>> http://hcilab.uniud.it/demos-videos/item11.html
>>>
>>> /Sven-Erik Tiberg
>>> Lulea Univ of Technology
>>> Sweden
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org
>>> [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>>Nicholas F. Polys
>>> Sent: den 28 februari 2011 21:34
>>> To: x3d-public at web3d.org
>>> Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation
>>(RMI)
>>>
>>> One of our members was working on this spec some time
>>ago (2001),
>>> perhaps a good integration target with H-Anim for such
>>a platform or
>>> communication layer: HumanML
>>> http://www.oasis-
>>open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=humanmarkup
>>>
>>> it does mention kinesthetics in the overview but I am
>>really not
>>> sure where it has been adopted.
>>> ?
>>>
>>> br,
>>>
>>> _n_polys
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2011 1:54 PM, Joe D Williams wrote:
>>>>> And what if the script could recive states ( ROUTED
>>events ) from
>>>>> the
>>>>> 3D browser and do a animation on the fly using
>>inverse kinematics,
>>>>> that would be cool.
>>>>
>>>> I think the basic needed structure for that is in the
>>X3D H-Anim
>>>> spec.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven-Erik Tiberg"
>>>> <Sven-Erik.Tiberg at ltu.se>
>>>> To: "John Carlson" <john.carlson3 at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation
>>(RMI)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What if using an from the browser external motion
>>engine as you
>>>>> mention, but let the motion engine host in the client
>>computer.
>>>>> Communicating new states to the 3D-browser (to a  h-
>>amin model )
>>>>> trough a script.
>>>>> And what if the script could recive states ( ROUTED
>>events ) from
>>>>> the
>>>>> 3D browser and do a animation on the fly using
>>inverse kinematics,
>>>>> that would be cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for bringing up this subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Sven-Erik Tiberg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org
>>>>> [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>>John Carlson
>>>>> Sent: den 26 februari 2011 05:49
>>>>> To: <x3d-public at web3d.org> mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of downloading motion into a 3D scene, how
>>about uploading
>>>>> motion into a remote social network server or robot?
>>One could
>>>>> upload motions to a remote server, and then invoke
>>them with
>>>>> parameters.  One could create classes aggregating
>>motion methods,
>>>>> instantiate classes to create behaviors in avatars or
>>robots.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if H-Anim was used to upload and control avatars
>>remotely,
>>>>> instead of downloaded models?  What I am thinking of
>>is something
>>>>> like Kinect/PrimeSense for primitive motion input + a
>>programming
>>>>> language for
>>repetition/parameterization/classes/instantation.
>>>>> What
>>>>> if I chose a protocol/programming such as JavaScript?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does DIS do this?  Are there any patents to be aware
>>of?  If we
>>>>> use
>>>>> something like Caja on the server, or sandbox the
>>motion on the
>>>>> server, could we insure the security of such an
>>endeavor?
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially, I am thinking only of video download.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Carlson
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>>> --
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>>>
>>> Director of Visual Computing
>>> Virginia Tech Information Technology
>>>
>>> Affiliate Research Professor
>>> Virginia Tech Computer Science
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