[x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file selection issue

Thu Sep 24 14:29:58 PDT 2015

Roy

Many thanks for your interest.

Please use the file as you will. As I say I have many more complex
examples which I have been processing in a similar manner -- with
success.

I plan to post them all under a creative commons license as soon as I
have fixed a few of the more complex. I will offer access by vrml and
by x3d -- but I will also make movies and put them on YouTube. Good
publicity for X3D -- and I comment on the process in the article
providing the links

Further to our earlier exchange, I am most bothered by my incompetence
with respect to the Viewpoints. I need 8 looking down the corners of
the cube (in all of them) to the origin. I am amazed at what a hassle
this is proving to be -- just a simple combination of orientation and
position for an origin centered image. Something I should be able to
master with ease -- and others as well !

Your indications were helpful but just beyond my grasp so I am seeking
assistance elsewhere -- pathetic !

Best regards

Tony

On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Tony,
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> I will have a look at the importer and see if I spot anything obvious. Your
> file is a good test case, and worth pursuing to improve the translation
> code. Are you are happy for me to share your file with other members of the
> Web3D Consortium? Or even to go further and offer it as an animation
> example?
>
> Can I help further?
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Judge [mailto:anthony.judge at gmail.com]
> Sent: 24 September 2015 20:51
> To: Roy Walmsley
> Cc: x3d-public at web3d.org
> Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file selection
> issue
>
> Roy
>
> Interesting approach. So I imported into X3D the WRL which I had previously
> exported from the X3D copied to you
>
> I made a mistake in the process. Redid the import a second time and made an
> odd mistake, when requested for a save name I mistyped the file association
> as "y3d"
>
> It provided a validation -- before saving (as x3d) -- indicating what you
> had found:
>
> [DefParserOutput.error] [Node] [Error] invalid field name ROUTE at line 727
> ignoring remaining fields of node Transform [DefParserOutput.error] node ==
> null, ignored
> *** Parsing time (ms): 84
> === writing x3d data  ===
> === finished ===
>
> However the x3d had lost its animation.
>
> I then repeated the input from the WRL for a third time
>
> It worked correctly, except that I had lost the editor toolbar with the
> validation icons. So I used the Schematron validation and got a swathe of
> error msgs of this type:
>
> Performing X3D Schematron check...
> <X3D profile='Immersive'> is defined, but nodes in scene have actual
> profile='Interchange' [/X3D, info] <X3D profile='Immersive'> is defined, but
> nodes in scene have actual profile='Interactive', ensure
> <X3D><head><component> statements are sufficient to provide coverage [/X3D,
> info] Update all meta tag(s) with content='*enter new value...'[/X3D/head,
> warning] <meta name='image' content='*enter image filename/url here*'/>
> capitalization mismatch, use keyword name='Image' [/X3D/head/meta[14],
> warning] <meta name='warning' content='*insert any known warnings, bugs or
> errors here*'/>[/X3D/head/meta[19], diagnostic] <Scene DEF=''/> Root nodes
> of Scene can only be Grouping nodes or LayerSet [/X3D/Scene, error]
> <PositionInterpolator DEF='CYL2'/> is missing ROUTE to receive input events
> [/X3D/Scene/Transform/PositionInterpolator[1],
> warning]....................
>
> --------- Validation checks complete for X301_M_new.x3d ---------
>
> I then hunted some more and retriggered the editor toolbar with the
> validation icons and got:
>
> XML validation started.
> Checking
> file:/C:/laetusa/docs10s/images/polynest_files/drilled/X301_M_new.x3d...
> Referenced entity at
> "nbres:/org/web3d/x3d/externals/schemas/x3d-3.2-Web3dExtensionsPrivate.xsd".
> XML validation finished.
>
> No errors. But when I attempted to view it in H3DViewer, all the animation
> had been stripped. Just got a plain cube (attached).
>
> I checked back on the original file (as shared with you). Animation OK with
> H3DViewer both of the X3D and WRL.
>
> My experience with a multitude of such files generated by me by program, is
> that I have no problem with the regular X3D validation and viewing it with
> H3DViewer. The WRL version exported from that file also looks fine in
> Cortona..
>
> Your approach is however interesting. Importing VRML, saving, exporting to
> VRML, and re-importing. Clearly the import was not designed for such a
> process !
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Tony,
>>
>> Thanks for your response, and the WRL file. I proceeded as follows.
>>
>> I loaded your WRL file into my own viewer directly. There were no
>> error messages. The animation looked great!
>>
>> I then went into X3D-Edit and imported your file. X3D-Edit reported as
>> follows:
>>
>> 		[DefParserOutput.error] [Node] [Error] invalid field name ROUTE at
>> line
>> 727
>> 		ignoring remaining fields of node Transform
>> 		[DefParserOutput.error] node == null, ignored
>>
>> I looked at the scene using the built-in viewer, and there was just
>> the static cube, no animation.
>>
>> I then opened the X3D file in my own viewer. Again, just the static cube.
>>
>> I then looked at the text for both the X3D and the WRL. In the former
>> case there were no ROUTEs. Hence the static cube. I noted that the
>> line number given by the error message was 727. Your file only had 686
>> lines, with the first ROUTE at line 627.
>>
>> This seems to indicate that there are some serious issues with the
>> X3D-Editor code, or my installation.
>>
>> The only other thing I can say is that I don't have an X3D-Edit
>> installation per se. I have checked out the code base from the
>> SourceForge repository. I load the code directly into NetBeans, and
>> then 'Build' and 'Run' the project which automatically launches
>> X3D-Edit within NetBeans. Furthermore, I have no familiarity with the
>> code.
>>
>> Are you able to import the WRL file correctly?
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Judge [mailto:anthony.judge at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 24 September 2015 17:38
>> To: Roy Walmsley
>> Cc: x3d-public at web3d.org
>> Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file
>> selection issue
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> Many thanks for considering the issue.
>>
>> The X3D  is attached. It corresponds to the example previously shared,
>> although it has been regenerated by program with revised meta-data.
>>
>> My experience today went through several stages. I have been viewing
>> multiple generated variants of such files using H3DViewer with no
>> problem.
>> It so happens it was generated with the file association in caps. I
>> assumed this might possibly be an issue in X3D Edit, so I switched to
>> lower case.
>> This changed nothing, as one might expect. I removed all other opened
>> files, relaunched X3D Edit. No change.
>>
>> Worried, I then opened a file I had previously saved to VRML. It
>> exported correctly -- without presenting the (useless) selection
>> window. I then reverted to the attached file and it exported
>> correctly. So, as I said, somehow the system gets locked into a mode
>> from which I cannot escape. Is there an "edit" mode which is locked in
>> some way?
>>
>> With respect to the Palette case. I long ago remarked (on this list
>> that) that  the menu features were obscure with respect to triggering
>> the Palette window. The Tools menu has a Palette item which in my case
>> reads .HTML/JSP Code clips whose contents (HTML/HTML Forms) seem
>> unrelated to what is triggered on the right (when it works) --
>> although some item therein may enable such triggering. However the
>> menu icon for New X3D scene draft opens a new draft -- and triggers
>> the Palette which I cannot access from a file previously validated and
>> saved. I find that icon obscure in relation to the very valuable set
>> of code tips. Using it I end up with multiple new drafts opened, to be
>> closed without saving. Why not an icon to trigger the Palette facility
>> in any edit mode? This    may exist but be obscure.
>>
>> With respect to the Viewpoint Calculator, I copied code accessed via a
>> new draft/palette into a file like that attached. When saved and
>> viewed, after validation,  the facility did not appear to be usefully
>> triggered -- although the console displayed a series of messages. My
>> assumption was that a module called from the Calculator was not being
>> accessed correctly (or at all).
>>
>> I then reviewed the installation, being unwilling (at this time) to
>> reinstall in the midst of a work process, for fear of losing my
>> ability to complete a whole series of X3D/WRL models.
>>
>> I remain puzzled by the install and its relation to the Netbeans
>> platform (which I do not use, although having gone through some kind of
>> install).
>>
>> I enclose two screen shots of the install location. One focuses on X3D
>> and the other on Netbeans.  Maybe it is partially working in some obscure
>> way.
>> But -- as the saying goes -- if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>
>> As I previously reported with respect to resource overload on a 600k
>> model
>> -- I  now  do a lot of editing with a text editor -- using X3D Edit
>> primarily for validation and VRML export. However reading the Readme,
>> the complexities of configuring the memory rather confirm me in
>> avoiding applying my ignorance to improving the installation as it
>> stands, especially since the updates are reported as being correctly
>> done -- whether or not they are fully "applied". It may be a question
>> of a path
>>
>> I hope this information is of some use.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> I know from our previous correspondence that you are unable to get to
>>> the palette window. This suggests you are having some installation
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> We could try to assess if your current problem is related by
>>> reproduction.
>>> If you were willing to send me the same file that you illustrated
>>> (X301_M.X3D), along with a summary of the steps you took that led to
>>> the issue, then I will try it out on my system, and report back to you.
>>>
>>> I agree with you that there should be version information in the
>>> Help/About menu. This would definitely help. That I will raise at the
>>> next opportunity.
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: x3d-public [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Anthony Judge
>>> Sent: 24 September 2015 14:19
>>> To: x3d-public at web3d.org
>>> Subject: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file selection
>>> issue
>>>
>>> I have had problems exporting from X3D Edit into VRML.
>>>
>>> Under some conditions a message now appears requesting file selection
>>> (attached) even though the relevant file is open (and has been
>>> validated). I cannot type in that window.
>>>
>>> If there are several files open, a selection may appear in that
>>> window, not including the one that is open . I do not have access to
>>> any via the window
>>>
>>> I remain puzzled at whether the version is current in practice, even
>>> though the indication is that all updates are current (11 Sept 2015).
>>> How to tell whether they have been "applied" even though "downloaded"
>>> -- there is seemingly no version number via the Help menu
>>>
>>> One related concern is my inability to gain access to the Viewpoint
>>> Calculator, even though I can get tantalizing images of the relevant
>>> window in the documentation. This may relate to whether this is
>>> dependent on te Netbeans platform -- and confusion over how it is
>>> installed
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Anthony Judge
>>> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
>>> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anthony Judge
>> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
>> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Anthony Judge
> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>
>

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www.laetusinpraesens.org