[x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file selection issue

[Anthony Judge]

Roy

Thanks for your suggestion.

When I had opened the X3D file originally copied to you, I noted that
it was blocked in some way. Editing was possible and the flag on the
file at the menu bar merely gave the file name.

Following the Windows/IDE Tools/Palette path the icon otherwise
evident in relation to "New X3D scene draft" was present on the file
tag. Then the Palette opened. My previous search for Palette only got
me to Tools/Palette. In the present mode, the Palette indeed opens and
closes. Thanks.

My recommendation would be that the menu references to Palette be
consolidated -- and related to items in the Help menu. Why not an icon
indicative of Palette accessibility -- perhaps turning the "New X3D
scene draft" icon into a drop down?

However it is not clear whether my system locks itself under certain
conditions into a particular mode -- enabled by my relative ignorance.

It was this context that discouraged me from going further with your
viewpoint suggestions. I will now do so. Thanks indeed.

Tony

On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Tony,
>
> Did you try the 'orientation' data from the picture  I sent you previously.
> It would be easy for me to repeat the process for all eight viewpoints and
> generate the orientation data for you. In the meantime we need to understand
> why you can't do this yourself.
>
> I take it that you can't simply open the Palette from the menu - Window /
> IDE Tools / Palette. Can you access that menu, and if so, what happens when
> you select Palette?
>
> Roy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Judge [mailto:anthony.judge at gmail.com]
> Sent: 24 September 2015 22:30
> To: Roy Walmsley
> Cc: x3d-public at web3d.org
> Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file selection
> issue
>
> Roy
>
> Many thanks for your interest.
>
> Please use the file as you will. As I say I have many more complex examples
> which I have been processing in a similar manner -- with success.
>
> I plan to post them all under a creative commons license as soon as I have
> fixed a few of the more complex. I will offer access by vrml and by x3d --
> but I will also make movies and put them on YouTube. Good publicity for X3D
> -- and I comment on the process in the article providing the links
>
> Further to our earlier exchange, I am most bothered by my incompetence with
> respect to the Viewpoints. I need 8 looking down the corners of the cube (in
> all of them) to the origin. I am amazed at what a hassle this is proving to
> be -- just a simple combination of orientation and position for an origin
> centered image. Something I should be able to master with ease -- and others
> as well !
>
> Your indications were helpful but just beyond my grasp so I am seeking
> assistance elsewhere -- pathetic !
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
>
> On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Tony,
>>
>> Thanks for the update.
>>
>> I will have a look at the importer and see if I spot anything obvious.
>> Your file is a good test case, and worth pursuing to improve the
>> translation code. Are you are happy for me to share your file with
>> other members of the Web3D Consortium? Or even to go further and offer
>> it as an animation example?
>>
>> Can I help further?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Judge [mailto:anthony.judge at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 24 September 2015 20:51
>> To: Roy Walmsley
>> Cc: x3d-public at web3d.org
>> Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file
>> selection issue
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> Interesting approach. So I imported into X3D the WRL which I had
>> previously exported from the X3D copied to you
>>
>> I made a mistake in the process. Redid the import a second time and
>> made an odd mistake, when requested for a save name I mistyped the
>> file association as "y3d"
>>
>> It provided a validation -- before saving (as x3d) -- indicating what
>> you had found:
>>
>> [DefParserOutput.error] [Node] [Error] invalid field name ROUTE at
>> line 727 ignoring remaining fields of node Transform
>> [DefParserOutput.error] node == null, ignored
>> *** Parsing time (ms): 84
>> === writing x3d data  ===
>> === finished ===
>>
>> However the x3d had lost its animation.
>>
>> I then repeated the input from the WRL for a third time
>>
>> It worked correctly, except that I had lost the editor toolbar with
>> the validation icons. So I used the Schematron validation and got a
>> swathe of error msgs of this type:
>>
>> Performing X3D Schematron check...
>> <X3D profile='Immersive'> is defined, but nodes in scene have actual
>> profile='Interchange' [/X3D, info] <X3D profile='Immersive'> is
>> defined, but nodes in scene have actual profile='Interactive', ensure
>> <X3D><head><component> statements are sufficient to provide coverage
>> [/X3D, info] Update all meta tag(s) with content='*enter new
>> value...'[/X3D/head, warning] <meta name='image' content='*enter image
>> filename/url here*'/> capitalization mismatch, use keyword
>> name='Image' [/X3D/head/meta[14], warning] <meta name='warning'
>> content='*insert any known warnings, bugs or errors
>> here*'/>[/X3D/head/meta[19], diagnostic] <Scene DEF=''/> Root nodes of
>> Scene can only be Grouping nodes or LayerSet [/X3D/Scene, error]
>> <PositionInterpolator DEF='CYL2'/> is missing ROUTE to receive input
>> events [/X3D/Scene/Transform/PositionInterpolator[1],
>> warning]....................
>>
>> --------- Validation checks complete for X301_M_new.x3d ---------
>>
>> I then hunted some more and retriggered the editor toolbar with the
>> validation icons and got:
>>
>> XML validation started.
>> Checking
>> file:/C:/laetusa/docs10s/images/polynest_files/drilled/X301_M_new.x3d...
>> Referenced entity at
>> "nbres:/org/web3d/x3d/externals/schemas/x3d-3.2-Web3dExtensionsPrivate.xsd".
>> XML validation finished.
>>
>> No errors. But when I attempted to view it in H3DViewer, all the
>> animation had been stripped. Just got a plain cube (attached).
>>
>> I checked back on the original file (as shared with you). Animation OK
>> with H3DViewer both of the X3D and WRL.
>>
>> My experience with a multitude of such files generated by me by
>> program, is that I have no problem with the regular X3D validation and
>> viewing it with H3DViewer. The WRL version exported from that file
>> also looks fine in Cortona..
>>
>> Your approach is however interesting. Importing VRML, saving,
>> exporting to VRML, and re-importing. Clearly the import was not
>> designed for such a process !
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response, and the WRL file. I proceeded as follows.
>>>
>>> I loaded your WRL file into my own viewer directly. There were no
>>> error messages. The animation looked great!
>>>
>>> I then went into X3D-Edit and imported your file. X3D-Edit reported
>>> as
>>> follows:
>>>
>>> 		[DefParserOutput.error] [Node] [Error] invalid field name ROUTE at
>>> line
>>> 727
>>> 		ignoring remaining fields of node Transform
>>> 		[DefParserOutput.error] node == null, ignored
>>>
>>> I looked at the scene using the built-in viewer, and there was just
>>> the static cube, no animation.
>>>
>>> I then opened the X3D file in my own viewer. Again, just the static
>>> cube.
>>>
>>> I then looked at the text for both the X3D and the WRL. In the former
>>> case there were no ROUTEs. Hence the static cube. I noted that the
>>> line number given by the error message was 727. Your file only had
>>> 686 lines, with the first ROUTE at line 627.
>>>
>>> This seems to indicate that there are some serious issues with the
>>> X3D-Editor code, or my installation.
>>>
>>> The only other thing I can say is that I don't have an X3D-Edit
>>> installation per se. I have checked out the code base from the
>>> SourceForge repository. I load the code directly into NetBeans, and
>>> then 'Build' and 'Run' the project which automatically launches
>>> X3D-Edit within NetBeans. Furthermore, I have no familiarity with the
>>> code.
>>>
>>> Are you able to import the WRL file correctly?
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anthony Judge [mailto:anthony.judge at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 24 September 2015 17:38
>>> To: Roy Walmsley
>>> Cc: x3d-public at web3d.org
>>> Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file
>>> selection issue
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> Many thanks for considering the issue.
>>>
>>> The X3D  is attached. It corresponds to the example previously
>>> shared, although it has been regenerated by program with revised
>>> meta-data.
>>>
>>> My experience today went through several stages. I have been viewing
>>> multiple generated variants of such files using H3DViewer with no
>>> problem.
>>> It so happens it was generated with the file association in caps. I
>>> assumed this might possibly be an issue in X3D Edit, so I switched to
>>> lower case.
>>> This changed nothing, as one might expect. I removed all other opened
>>> files, relaunched X3D Edit. No change.
>>>
>>> Worried, I then opened a file I had previously saved to VRML. It
>>> exported correctly -- without presenting the (useless) selection
>>> window. I then reverted to the attached file and it exported
>>> correctly. So, as I said, somehow the system gets locked into a mode
>>> from which I cannot escape. Is there an "edit" mode which is locked
>>> in some way?
>>>
>>> With respect to the Palette case. I long ago remarked (on this list
>>> that) that  the menu features were obscure with respect to triggering
>>> the Palette window. The Tools menu has a Palette item which in my
>>> case reads .HTML/JSP Code clips whose contents (HTML/HTML Forms) seem
>>> unrelated to what is triggered on the right (when it works) --
>>> although some item therein may enable such triggering. However the
>>> menu icon for New X3D scene draft opens a new draft -- and triggers
>>> the Palette which I cannot access from a file previously validated
>>> and saved. I find that icon obscure in relation to the very valuable
>>> set of code tips. Using it I end up with multiple new drafts opened,
>>> to be closed without saving. Why not an icon to trigger the Palette
>>> facility
>>> in any edit mode? This    may exist but be obscure.
>>>
>>> With respect to the Viewpoint Calculator, I copied code accessed via
>>> a new draft/palette into a file like that attached. When saved and
>>> viewed, after validation,  the facility did not appear to be usefully
>>> triggered -- although the console displayed a series of messages. My
>>> assumption was that a module called from the Calculator was not being
>>> accessed correctly (or at all).
>>>
>>> I then reviewed the installation, being unwilling (at this time) to
>>> reinstall in the midst of a work process, for fear of losing my
>>> ability to complete a whole series of X3D/WRL models.
>>>
>>> I remain puzzled by the install and its relation to the Netbeans
>>> platform (which I do not use, although having gone through some kind
>>> of install).
>>>
>>> I enclose two screen shots of the install location. One focuses on
>>> X3D and the other on Netbeans.  Maybe it is partially working in some
>>> obscure way.
>>> But -- as the saying goes -- if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>
>>> As I previously reported with respect to resource overload on a 600k
>>> model
>>> -- I  now  do a lot of editing with a text editor -- using X3D Edit
>>> primarily for validation and VRML export. However reading the Readme,
>>> the complexities of configuring the memory rather confirm me in
>>> avoiding applying my ignorance to improving the installation as it
>>> stands, especially since the updates are reported as being correctly
>>> done -- whether or not they are fully "applied". It may be a question
>>> of a path
>>>
>>> I hope this information is of some use.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24/09/2015, Roy Walmsley <roy.walmsley at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> Tony,
>>>>
>>>> I know from our previous correspondence that you are unable to get
>>>> to the palette window. This suggests you are having some
>>>> installation issues.
>>>>
>>>> We could try to assess if your current problem is related by
>>>> reproduction.
>>>> If you were willing to send me the same file that you illustrated
>>>> (X301_M.X3D), along with a summary of the steps you took that led to
>>>> the issue, then I will try it out on my system, and report back to you.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you that there should be version information in the
>>>> Help/About menu. This would definitely help. That I will raise at
>>>> the next opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> Roy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: x3d-public [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Anthony Judge
>>>> Sent: 24 September 2015 14:19
>>>> To: x3d-public at web3d.org
>>>> Subject: [x3d-public] Export from X3D Edit to VRML -- file selection
>>>> issue
>>>>
>>>> I have had problems exporting from X3D Edit into VRML.
>>>>
>>>> Under some conditions a message now appears requesting file
>>>> selection
>>>> (attached) even though the relevant file is open (and has been
>>>> validated). I cannot type in that window.
>>>>
>>>> If there are several files open, a selection may appear in that
>>>> window, not including the one that is open . I do not have access to
>>>> any via the window
>>>>
>>>> I remain puzzled at whether the version is current in practice, even
>>>> though the indication is that all updates are current (11 Sept 2015).
>>>> How to tell whether they have been "applied" even though "downloaded"
>>>> -- there is seemingly no version number via the Help menu
>>>>
>>>> One related concern is my inability to gain access to the Viewpoint
>>>> Calculator, even though I can get tantalizing images of the relevant
>>>> window in the documentation. This may relate to whether this is
>>>> dependent on te Netbeans platform -- and confusion over how it is
>>>> installed
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Anthony Judge
>>>> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
>>>> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Anthony Judge
>>> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
>>> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anthony Judge
>> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
>> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Anthony Judge
> <anthony.judge at gmail.com>
> www.laetusinpraesens.org
>
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