[x3d-public] [x3d] V4.0 Open discussion/workshop on X3D HTML integration > brainstorming > protos

[doug sanden]

> 
> > You can't have scripts in one or more iFrames that interact with
> the main page.
> 
> isn't there a way to turn sandbox off so the parent page DOM can
> interact with the iframe?
> 

I was reading last night that same-origin policy of webbrowsers allows some communication between frames if they have the same server origin.

And es6 I was reading has something a little lighter than a frame - can't remember what it was called but it doesn't have its own global, so its lighter for use with smaller classes. es6 has a few more tricks in the webcomponents game.

So implementations may change. There might be room for something between x3dom and cobweb, with protos, not using unrolling, using webcomponents - iframe, es6, ...

> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_iframe_sandbox.asp
> 
> then you can put parent dom event handlers on the iframe. So, it looks
> like you can make an iframe work like an object.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe
> 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Leonard Daly" <Leonard.Daly at realism.com>
To: <x3d-public at web3d.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [x3d-public] [x3d] V4.0 Open discussion/workshop on X3D
HTML integration > brainstorming > protos


> Doug,
>>
>> creative strategy example > protos
>>
>> when it comes to protos, an element of that was something about
>> Script. If you can't have a Script node then what's the point of
>> protos. But html does have scirpts. Am I right to break that down
>> into:
>>
>> e1 scripts can't be run-time instanced ie if you have one copy of a
>> script, you can't make another copy at runtime with the same name
>>
>>
>> other domains > adware
>>
>> I see lots of advertisements popping up in webpages. I suspect they
>> have their own scripts and content. Is it possible to instance 2
>> ads
>> of the same type on the same page? If so, how do they do it,
>> without
>> confusing the scripts?
>>
>> so an adware solution to the script part of proto would be an
>> element
>> solution from another domain.
>>
>
>
> I have adBlock running, so I see fewer ads than you might be seeing.
> In
> the past when I have looked at ads they typically come in one of the
> following flavors:
> 1) iFrames - completely separate HTML page with its own DOM
> 2) Flash - obsolete animation technology with built-in scripting
> 3) Static - no scripting required. Everything is in the link. This
> could
> include animated GIF/PNG as that is a self-contained static file.
> Also
> movies in HTML5 don't need scripting.
>
> (1) and (2) have their own "space", so multiple identical ads can
> appear
> without conflict. Scripts inside of an iFrame cannot access the
> parent
> DOM. It may be from a different web site and browser sandboxing
> prevents
> that. You can't have scripts in one or more iFrames that interact
> with
> the main page.
>
> The less said about Flash, the better.
>
>
> Leonard Daly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> You would write that into the table and keep going.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* x3d-public <x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org> on behalf of doug
>> sanden <highaspirations at hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* June 9, 2016 12:00 PM
>> *To:* 'X3D Graphics public mailing list'
>> *Subject:* Re: [x3d-public] [x3d] V4.0 Open discussion/workshop on
>> X3D
>> HTML integration > brainstorming
>>
>> > Solutions to issues will be found. They may start as ideas
>> > contributed by
>> individuals.
>>
>> > Brainstorming is an excellent activity. But they will  arise more
>> > easily with
>> greater understanding.
>>
>>
>> Yes there's a book "Creative Strategy" with 3 steps:
>>
>> 1. break it down (into problem 'elements')
>>
>> 2. search (in other domains/fields/areas-of-practice/toolsets for
>> solution to an element)
>>
>> 3. combine (some selection of solutions to elements from other
>> domains, into a total solution)
>>
>> Think of a matrix with problem elements down the side, and
>> domains/sources of solutions across the top:
>>
>> Problem:
>>
>> ______d1________d2______d3__________d4
>>
>> e1
>>
>> e2
>>
>> e3
>>
>> e4
>>
>> then fill in the table by searching.
>>
>> The creative part comes in the recombining element solutions at the
>> end.
>>
>>
>> I suspect you guys are doing a pretty good job of breaking it into
>> elements.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>> more..
>>
>> http://cup.columbia.edu/book/creative-strategy/9780231160520
>> https://sites.google.com/site/airdrieinnovationinstitute/creative-strategy
>>
>>
>> I apologize as a non-member for not being more active in v4. Not an
>> html or js guru. I could perhaps search other domains for element
>> solutions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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