[x3d-public] Future of X3D presentation

[Leonard Daly]

I keep harping on this because no one has yet shown me how this is going 
to happen.
On page 8 of the notes, item (6): "In principle, all nodes in the 
standard, including scripts and prototypes, can be supported."

The X3D Standard specifies that the node is called "Script" and contains 
children tags.
HTML has a node called "script" without children tags.

1) I do not see how the X3D Standard can be supported "in principle" or 
"in practice" to meet the requirements of the statement.

2) HTML scripts are global and have access to the entire DOM. #5 states 
that nodes appear in the DOM, so from an HTML script I can modify all 
nodes in the DOM, including X3D ones -- this would include X3D Script 
nodes if a way was found to include it.

3) All scripts in the HTML page occupy the same namespace (that is 
global in scope). From an X3D Script (if one was able to exists), I 
could access all parts of the page, including other scripts, including 
possibly non-X3D scripts.

This is not integrating X3D into HTML; but elbowing aside an X3D bubble 
within the HTML space. If X3D is going to be integrated with the DOM, 
then really integrate it with the environment. If not, then stop using 
integrating and use something like "X3D space in the HTML document"


Leonard Daly





On 6/13/2017 4:41 PM, Andreas Plesch wrote:
>
>     During the Web3D 2017 Conference in Brisbane Australia,
>
>     http://web3d2017.web3d.org/program
>     <http://web3d2017.web3d.org/program>
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>     the following presentation was given:
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>             The Future of X3D
>             Roy Walmsley and Don Brutzman
>             How will the X3D standard adapt to HTML5 and virtual and
>     augmented reality on the web?
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>     Presentation
>     http://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/page/X3D%20Version%204/FutureOfX3D.pdf
>     <http://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/page/X3D%20Version%204/FutureOfX3D.pdf>
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>     Detailed notes
>     http://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/page/X3D%20Version%204/FutureOfX3dWeb3d2017June7.pdf
>     <http://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/page/X3D%20Version%204/FutureOfX3dWeb3d2017June7.pdf>
>
>     Photograph by Paul Grimm showing off the incredible venue at
>     Queensland University of Technology (qut.edu.au
>     <http://qut.edu.au>) for Web3D 2017:
>     http://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/image/wg/X3D%20Version%204/PresentationPanoramaFutureOfX3dPaulGrimm20170607_135611.1600x492.jpg
>     <http://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/image/wg/X3D%20Version%204/PresentationPanoramaFutureOfX3dPaulGrimm20170607_135611.1600x492.jpg>
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>     These links are maintained on the following key page:
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>             X3D Version 4
>     http://www.web3d.org/x3d4
>
>     Twitter announcement:
>     https://twitter.com/Web3DConsortium/status/874662520270708737
>     <https://twitter.com/Web3DConsortium/status/874662520270708737>
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>     All questions, dialog and insights are welcome.  This presentation
>     distills much effort and hopefully provides a helpful basis for
>     continuing progress.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this thoughtful presentation. The sketch of an 
> integrated event model is particularly interesting and I may redraw it 
> in an attempt to learn about its workings.
>
> The sketch is also interesting as it must have come as something of a 
> relief to an audience listening to what must have been the most text 
> heavy presentation at a meeting on 3d graphics ;)
>
> -Andreas
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*Leonard Daly*
3D Systems & Cloud Consultant
LA ACM SIGGRAPH Chair
President, Daly Realism - /Creating the Future/
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