[x3d-public] X3D Semantic Web Working Group minutes, Monday 5 AUG 2019

Tue Aug 6 09:41:41 PDT 2019

Please check Wittenberg pdf link.  Thanks!

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:14 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:

> Meeting minutes follow.
>
> Attendees: Jakub Flotynski, Christophe Mouton, Yves Keraton, Don Brutzman.
>
> We are resuming our weekly meetings, with continuing enthusiasm!
>
>         X3D Semantic Web Working Group
>         https://www.web3d.org/working-groups/x3d-semantic-web
>
> Mission: "The X3D Semantic Web Working Group mission is to publish models
> to the Web using X3D in order to best gain Web interoperability and enable
> intelligent 3D applications, feature-based 3D model querying, and reasoning
> over 3D scenes."
>
> Suggested motto, with thanks to Jim Hendler: "the answer to your question
> is the response to the query."  8)
>
> The following detailed agenda should get us going, helping people get
> caught up.  We'll add discussion points during the meeting to create
> regular minutes - further topics welcome.  I am returning to work after two
> weeks away at conferences and can scribe for the first hour.
>
> ===========================================
>
> Minutes for Monday 5 AUG 2019, 08-0900 pacific:
>
> 0. *Preliminaries*
>
> a. Preparations:
>
>         Semantic Web Pro 2019, 3 décembre 2019, à Paris
>         http://semweb.pro/semwebpro-2019.html
>
> We agreed to submit a proposal for a 15-minute presentation, Jakub will
> prepare it.  The deadline for abstract is end of September.  Primary
> language is French but also English.  Jakub can prepare abstract and we
> might also participate remotely.  Christophe can be there, I hope to call
> in if time-of-day permits.
>
> ===========================================
>
> 1. *Conferences* Review of Web3D Conference, Workshop and SIGGRAPH.
>
> a. The workshop went well despite severe audiovisual difficulties for the
> first half hour.  This was a good information exchange and clearly there is
> a lot of work going on.
>
> Abstract and pdf of slideset (as a record):
>
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/workshops/SemanticWeb3DWorkshop.2019July27.pdf
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/workshops/SemanticWeb3DWorkshop.2019July27.zip
> (latex source)
>
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/workshops/X3dSemanticWebWorkingGroupCollectedConcepts.2019July27.pdf
>
> still editable at
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LUaBueJ6qzdYhPZ3HApT9GZIz4Ma0AnBwBWnAxqrQAI/
>
> ------------
>
> b. Jamie Wittenberg of University of Indiana (cc:ed) gave a great
> presentation, excellent discussions followed.
>
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/workshops/WittenbergPreservationAccessReuseAdvancing3dVrStrategyInResearchLibrary.Web3d2019.pdf
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/workshops/WittenbergPreservationAccessReuseAdvancing3dVrStrategyInResearchLibrary.Web3d2019.pptx
>
> 3D Collection Strategies
> https://lib.vt.edu/research-learning/lib3dvr.html
>
> Interestingly this impressive work is a part of a joint project by
> Virginia Tech University Libraries, Indiana University Libraries, and the
> University of Oklahoma Libraries.  It is also related to
>
>         Born to Be 3D: Digital Stewardship of Intrinsic 3D Data*
>         November 2, 2018, The Library of Congress, Hashtag: #B2B3D
>
> https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/meetings/b2b3d/b2b3d2018.html
>
> We agreed to invite her to an upcoming meeting for a dedicated discussion
> on this topic, hopefully with Nicholas Polys of VT attending also.
>
> ===========================================
>
> 2. *Website* Review and confirmation of requested website changes:
>
> a. Currently we have access to update
>
>         https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/
>
> We have asked for this tree to move to top level:
>
>         https://www.web3d.org/semantics/
>
> which will allow us to make IRI identifiers identically available as URL
> addresses for direct retrieval.
>
> We agreed to renew this request with Web3D leadership.  Meanwhile we will
> continue with the current address, using the intended IRIs.
>
> ------------
>
> b. Getting busier without clobbering x3d-public mailing list: we need to
> make a public mailing list, perhaps shifting semantics at web3D.org
> (possibly hard).
>
> Alternatively, we might create a second semantics-public at web3D.org
> mailing list (which is easy).  This would be symmetric with x3d@ and
> x3d-public at web3d.org mailing lists.  Thoughts?
>
>         https://www.web3d.org/member/member-only-mailing-lists
>         http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/semantics_web3d.org
>
> *We agreed* on the "easy" choice: request adding a new
> semantics-public at web3D.org mailing list.
>
> Don will forward these requests to the Web3D communications team and
> webmaster.
>
> ------------
>
> 3. *X3D Ontology*
>
> a. Prior announcement, with followup messages with links
>
>         X3D Semantic Web announce: new X3D Ontology
>
> http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2019-June/011003.html
>
> b. Helpful feedback from Marc Petit (copied):
>
>         [Semantics] Feedback on the X3D ontology
>         Thu Jul 25 08:59:22 PDT 2019
>
> http://web3d.org/mailman/private/semantics_web3d.org/2019-July/000032.html
>
> We hope to have Marc on the phone when we address his comments.
>
> Similarly we some comments from Leslie, and have asked for a time to
> review them together.  (They might be related to an older version however.)
>
> c. *Importance of deliberate careful progress*
>
> Getting feedback and dialog on the mailing list is very important in order
> to have coherent conversations. Of course "Anyone can say anything about
> anything" is the AAA principle, so much independent experimentation is
> quite welcome.  Nevertheless I will be conservative about adding changes to
> the X3D Ontology unless we have agreed upon them.
>
> If meeting by phone is not workable, we will proceed together on a regular
> call as best possible.
>
> It is important to keep changes understandable and reviewable.  Actual
> changes are found at
>
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0.ttl
>
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0.ttl
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0.ttl?format=raw
>
> We will primarily keep dialog on the mailing lists, for the moment
> semantics at web3d.org and later semantics-public at web3d.org
>
> d. We have a second copy of Manchester Owl validator (first currently has
> a problem, second one works).
>
>         http://mowl-power.cs.man.ac.uk:8080/validator (Profile OWL 2,
> Report syntax: Manchester Owl Syntax)
>
>         http://visualdataweb.de/validator
>
> e. I have a number of small additions to X3D Unified Object Model (X3DUOM)
> occurring as a result of Python package autogeneration.  They will produce
> some corresponding changes to internals of the X3D ontology.
>
>         X3D Ontology 4.0 (initial draft)
>
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0.ttl
>
> Of note,
> - we test changes with Protege and Manchester OWL, certainly prior to any
> published updates.
> - we are doing what we can with decorated XSD -> X3DUOM -> ontology to
> establish a baseline.
> - we are adding other things that are needed, typically in directions
> Leslie has pointed us.
> - building a set of SPARQL queries will help a lot.
>
> Current worklist excerpted from ontology follows.  Review and improvements
> welcome.
>
> ###############################################
>
> # X3D Ontology
>
> ###############################################
>
> # Design Plan
>
> # - Show current work and plans at Web3D 2019 for discussion and comment
> # - Continue testing X3D Ontology with SPARQL queries
> # - Show interesting inferencing within/among X3D models
> # - Consider adding semantic metadata to models in X3D Examples Archive
> # -
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/X3dResources.html#Examples
> # - Add relations and rules for mapping 3D-specific and domain-specific
> ontologies
> # - Build knowledge bases from current X3D scenes (initially)
> # - Continue following patterns in Leslie Sikos' t3dmo.ttl to provide
> relations
> # -    to other 3D file formats (perhaps OBJ first, then Max and others)
> # - Write parsers for other 3D formats using Data Format Description
> Language (DFDL)
> # -    https://daffodil.apache.org
> # - Demonstrate general 3D query and inferencing capabilities for multiple
> formats
>
> ###############################################
>
> e. Next steps.
>
> We did some further sleuthing, Jakub will try to fix the
> hasDescendant/hasAncestor redundancy another time.
>
> Jakub, might you provide queries such as those we started to do during
> your visit?
>
> Looking ahead: tested items improving the X3D Ontology that get posted to
> the mailing list can be integrated, retested and published.
>
> Onward we go together.
>
> f. TODO X3D Ontology descriptive web page is much needed.  Suggested
> sections:
>
> - basic information such as that appearing here
> - Instructions for testing in Manchester OWL Validator
> - Instructions for running in Protege
> - Making queries
> - etc. etc.
>
> ===========================================
>
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> ===========================================
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> Having fun with X3D Semantic Web!  Passez un bon moment avec X3D Semantic
> Web!  :)
>
> all the best, Don
> --
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