[x3d-public] Film and Shape languages, what are they?

[John Carlson]

Hmm.  So I'm thinking there's film and shape semantics and semiotics.  Can
we think of X3D semantics in terms of shape semantics and film semantics?
What do we do about semiotics? Do I look at my glass and see "something I
am drinking from"?  Or do I see something topologically?  Do I somehow
recall every time I've had ice water from a glass?... All of the above?
What causes us to choose one meaning above another? Microtheories?

Time to pull out some linguistics classes...

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 11:38 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> We have very good languages for describing virtual worlds in text or
> binary, VRML, X3D, JSON, ...
>
> Those are a combination of 3 mechanisms, symbols, objects and arrays.
> What I would like to discuss is describing virtual worlds in film and shape
> languages, essentially, the snake eating its tail.  We have seen
> recursive/meta aspect of the computer language, but do we really have a
> concept of the recursive/meta aspect in film and shape languages?
>
> This was one of the things I wanted to explore at the DSVL 2001, but that
> workshop mostly focused on the meta-object (and perhaps meta-text)
> languages, of course, it was at OOPSLA, so that's probably understandable.
> What is meta-film?  What is meta-shape? equations?   Are these metas mostly
> ignored by the object and object-language communities?
>
> One thing that comes to mind for film is the storyboard, or shapes
> describing the film.
>
> Another thing that comes to mind is fractals and procedural generation.
> How can we describe procedural or fractals in a drag and drop fashion?
> I've seen it done.
>
> I am primarily interested in generating artifacts, but the other side,
> which is recognizing artifacts, is also worth examining.  There have been
> strides gained in computer vision with neural networks.  Can we convert
> these to code with something like TransCoder?
>
> We've all probably all seen video feedback, and it was featured highly in
> Douglas Hofstadter's book, "I am a Strange Loop."  Is this the only video
> self-reference we can achieve?
>
> What would shape feedback be?  Is this essential to robotic sensors?
>
> What would X3D be like if we had a video encoding for virtual worlds? *as
> input* to the computer.  This is where OpenAI is moving with gym and
> universe.
>
> What exactly is shape encoding?
>
> Just to be clear, I am speaking of a concrete specification instead of an
> abstract specification.  I'm asking if we can translate the X3D abstract
> specs into movies and shapes.
>
> This would be primarily for people with reading difficulties.
>
> John
>
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