[x3d-public] Fwd: Re: mantis 1252, PointProperties node specification and inclusion of Normal data

[Don Brutzman]

I think it is good if we can be precise about rendering, certainly this is expected of the specification.

We have postponed resolution of this issue pending final review of all PBR modifications.  So let's ensure we get it right.

Information added to

* Mantis 1252: PointProperties node specification; PointSet /LineSet/IndexedLineSet can contain Normal
   https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1252

On 6/15/2020 2:14 AM, Michalis Kamburelis wrote:
> Is there any wording that says effectively """Points/lines are rendered as *lit* if the normals are provided"""? Because that is the purpose of providing normals, I think.
> 
> The sentence """No effect on rendering behavior is defined for data specified by the normal field. Rendering techniques that utilize normal information to refine presentation of geometry are allowed but not required.""" leaves the decision up to the browser, it seems.
> 
> Regards,
> Michalis
> 
> pon., 15 cze 2020 o 08:36 Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>> napisał(a):
> 
>     These changes got applied to XML Schema/DTD and X3DUOM for X3D4, also compiles satisfactorily under X3DSAIL.
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: Re: mantis 1252, PointProperties node specification and inclusion of Normal data
>     Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:22:02 -0700
>     From: Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>>
>     Organization: Naval Postgraduate School (NPS)
>     To: Vincent Marchetti <vmarchetti at kshell.com <mailto:vmarchetti at kshell.com>>
>     CC: Richard F. Puk <puk at igraphics.com <mailto:puk at igraphics.com>>, Nicholas Polys <npolys at vt.edu <mailto:npolys at vt.edu>>
> 
>     FYI we came up with the following addition to the mantis issue.  We also applied these changes to draft X3D4 specification.  Looks good.
> 
>     ======================================
>     Change summary for Normals:
> 
>     Add the following to LineSet, IndexedLineSet, PointSet
> 
>         SFNode [in,out] normal NULL [X3DNormalNode]
> 
>     with prose
> 
>     "No effect on rendering behavior is defined for data specified by the normal field. Rendering techniques that utilize normal information to refine presentation of geometry are allowed but not required."
> 
>     Considered but not included:
> 
>     NOTE. Rendering of 3D scan data may choose to apply normal information for mesh visualization, culling or other purposes.
> 
>     ----
> 
>     11.4.10 Normal node:
> 
>     "This node defines a set of 3D surface normal vectors to be used in the vector field of some geometry nodes (EXAMPLE IndexedFaceSet and ElevationGrid). This node contains one multiple-valued field that contains the normal vectors. Normals shall be of unit length."
> 
>     Interestingly that is the entire definition of the node.
> 
>     Replace first sentence as follows, keeping original second and third sentences above.
> 
>     "This node defines a set of 3D direction vectors to be used for the normal field of some geometry nodes (EXAMPLE IndexedFaceSet, IndexedLineSet, LineSet, PointSet, and ElevationGrid). The term 'normal' is common usage to indicate direction vectors, even though the direction vectors might not necessarily indicate perpendicularity."
> 
>     ---
> 
>     Level support table: note /normal/ optionally supported for LineSet, IndexedLineSet, PointSet under level 1.
> 
>     =====================================


all the best, Don
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