[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests
John Carlson
yottzumm at gmail.com
Wed Mar 25 13:31:38 PDT 2020
Note, both LOA-4 examples are affected, AFAICT.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:28 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Using some UNIX tools, I was able to do some checking on the model in
> AnnexA: These are the names that appeared more than once in LOA-4, and the
> number of times they appeared:
>
> $ grep name AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/^.*name/name/'|sort|uniq -c|sort
>
> [snip]
>
> 2 name "l_eyeball"
> 2 name "l_femoral_lateral_epicn"
> 2 name "r_eyeball"
> 2 name "r_femoral_lateral_epicn"
> 3 name "l_index_proximal"
> 3 name "r_index_proximal"
>
> Here are some DEFs that appear more than once:
>
> $ grep DEF AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/.*DEF/DEF/'|uniq -c|sort
>
> 2 DEF hanim_l_index_proximal Segment {
> 2 DEF hanim_r_index_proximal Segment {
>
> There are DEFs among these that appear more than once, but have different
> node types.
>
> $ grep DEF AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/.*DEF/DEF/' |sed 's/\(DEF [^ ]*\)
> .*/\1/'|sort|uniq -c|sort
>
> 2 DEF hanim_l_eyeball
> 2 DEF hanim_r_eyeball
> 3 DEF hanim_l_index_proximal
> 3 DEF hanim_r_index_proximal
>
> Recommend looking at:
>
> 2 name "l_femoral_lateral_epicn"
> 2 name "r_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>
> For multiple DEFs
>
> These DEFs may be in several PROTOs, and probably? okay? not sure.
>
> Different LOA #'s mentioned in below snippet?
>
> DEF JointCenters_WorldInfo Group
> {
> children [
> WorldInfo
> {
> title "HANIM 200x Default Joint Centers, *LOA‑4"*
> info [ "
> HANIM 200x Default Joint Centers, *Level-Of-Articulation 3*
>
>
> Do you want me to do the editing on github and create a pull request on github?
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:12 PM Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Please See below
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:01 AM
>> *To: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>; John
>> Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Subject: *[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests
>>
>>
>>
>> A.7.2.2 LOA‑4 Example with diamonds at Joint centres
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA4ExampleSourceWithDiamonds
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Important links and the example should run as published.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:08 PM
>> *To: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>> *Cc: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject: *HAnim examples/tests
>>
>>
>>
>> - Hi Joe, do you prefer email or voice chat? I am much less apt to
>> call you, but it's probably good to have an initial meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Call me with the number I sent, or use this or hanim list.
>>
>>
>>
>> - I'm going to look around the X3d Resource Examples, and I know
>> you've got a set of examples too. I'll look around for what I have of
>> yours. I can't find it right away, but I'll look under People next. I
>> found your examples in my Downloads folder. Yay! You are now in
>> ~/People/Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> Fun happens where you find it. I’d like to see you be able to run the
>> latest loa4 example.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Okay, assuming you know what you sent me, what needs to be changed
>> about the various models you sent me?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure but I’m certain it was great stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> - Also, note that I am a VRML newb.
>>
>>
>>
>> Youjust think you are. It is all very logical and we can use the xml or
>> anything else you want as long as it runs.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Do you use BS Contact? I think I have that!
>>
>>
>>
>> So far most runs anywhere x3d except some may not do skin.
>>
>> BSContact is my standard for this right now but all do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Is there an HAnim tutorial written yet? Should I begin writing one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Somewhat. The thing to start with is that there is a humanoid space, a
>> skeleton space and a skin space, so far.
>>
>> To me, they work best when they are all the same space.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for looking
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> - John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > develop test cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that. Thanks to Joe
>> for pointing me there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can talk with you about hanim examples/tests most any time,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:23 PM
>> *To: *Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu>
>> *Cc: *Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>; Katie Unger
>> <kunger at ssdllc.biz>; X3D Graphics public mailing list
>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [x3d-public] JSweet translation of X3DJSAIL to
>> JavaScript: needspecific design goals first
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I haven’t been clear. I see my position @ Web3d as a tester,
>> thus I expect to collaborate with other stakeholders to create test cases
>> or example behaviors we want the system to perform.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have abundant XML that I can generate test cases from. I’m not
>> generating code out of the blue. I have a goal of generating code out of
>> the blue, but that’s a long term goal. This would be done to do code
>> coverage.
>>
>>
>>
>> I accidentally fell into a library writer position when we got to python.
>>
>>
>>
>> I added my JSONParser to the browsers because no one was doing it, and I
>> needed a real environment to test in.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything wrong with generating different versions of
>> HelloWorld.js.
>>
>>
>>
>> I resign from library development. If someone wants me to develop test
>> cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that. Thanks to Joe for pointing me
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a tester, I build code that I assert will not work, or I check the XML
>> to see if the scene is supposed to fail.
>>
>>
>>
>> The test cases for node are currently failing big time, I know. I know
>> I use methods instead of array access. That needs to be fixed. There
>> are properties in the SAI I haven’t really spotted in the X3DUOM, so
>> perhaps I need to look harder. I need to add route methods to my
>> serializer.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:23 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Design goal: add existing X3D ecmascript SAI to HTML5 (chrome) and
>> node.js
>>
>>
>>
>> I tend to work from examples rather than specifications. Once we have
>> our test cases, we can start coding the library, using “test driven
>> development.” or “behavior driven development.”
>>
>>
>>
>> We will build an npm environment, probably using webpack and yarn, and a
>> suitable test framework. Then I will start coding tests using the test
>> framework. I believe we can use phantomjs or similar to run test cases in.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will look for the Transform example.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good news is I’m saving enough money on “shelter in place “ to afford a
>> Web3d membership.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:44 PM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/24/2020 3:48 PM, John Carlson wrote:
>> > It seems like you have issues with the “generate first” approach. [...]
>>
>> Yes. Don't do that. Don't even bother thinking about that.
>>
>> Please look again at what I wrote. You need specific design goals first.
>>
>> all the best, Don
>> --
>> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
>> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
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