[x3d-public] higher level networking and potential for animated semantics.

[John Carlson]

Yes, sounds like a Granovetter diagram.

John

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:29 AM Christoph Valentin <
christoph.valentin at gmx.at> wrote:

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> FIRST you receive, THEN you give.
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> Every mother knows that.
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> Am 02.01.21, 17:56 schrieb John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>:
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>> I’ve got some ideas based on the 5 love languages:
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>> [ Chapman ]
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>> Give/Receive Acts (services)
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>> Give/Receive Time
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>> Give/Receive Gifts (including space, money, food)
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>> Give/Receive Affirmatives (praise, worship)
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>> Give/Receive Touch
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>> Also consider Distribution, Aggregation
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>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 1, 2021 11:11 PM
>> *To: *Christoph Valentin <christoph.valentin at gmx.at>
>> *Cc: *Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu>; X3D Graphics public mailing list
>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: Re: [x3d-public] higher level networking and potential
>> for animated semantics.
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>> The 5 love languages [ed. Note: Protocols]--Gary Chapman).
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>> Here’s the kind of human protocol I was talking about.   Enjoy working
>> out the protocol, Christoph!
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>> John
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>> *From: *Christoph Valentin <christoph.valentin at gmx.at>
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 28, 2020 7:00 PM
>> *Cc: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>; Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu>;
>> X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject: *Aw: Re: [x3d-public] higher level networking and potential
>> for animated semantics.
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>> Hi John, Gina Lauren, Don
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>> Please confirm you have received this e-mail. I was encountering
>> connectivity issues with my free-mail provider gmx.de lately.
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>> @John
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>> Thanks for your contribution at the S&P-ARK WIKI. I am considering to
>> merge it with the position issue and to move them both together to the
>> digits WIKI (yet to be created :-) ).
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>> @All - regarding the MU protocol story
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>> *May I officially suggest* to use RTP and SCTP as transport protocols
>> and to define an own "application layer protocol", as we brainstormed
>> together in spring 2019 and I am currently going to describe in more detail?
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>> I am going to be finished with the draft description by next weekend, but
>> be AWARE: this is all phantasy, nothing has been implemented for this idea.
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>> Comments are welcome already now.
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>> https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/blob/master/ALP/01-ALP-over-RTP(BCP).pdf
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>> Kind regards,
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>> Christoph
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>> P.S.: since my employer is not interested in 3D graphics at all, I can
>> guarantee to be unbiased ;-)
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>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 26. Dezember 2020 um 13:45 Uhr
>> *Von:* "GL" <info at 3dnetproductions.com>
>> *An:* "'John Carlson'" <yottzumm at gmail.com>, "'Don Brutzman'" <
>> brutzman at nps.edu>
>> *Cc:* "'X3D Graphics public mailing list'" <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Betreff:* Re: [x3d-public] higher level networking and potential for
>> animated semantics.
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>>
>> John, Thank you for referencing some of my work. VR business has been a
>> near life time goal of mine. Like you, I have realized many years ago that
>> I couldn't do it alone. I was, however, very fortunate to have a group of
>> X3D developers to share my ambitions. That culminated in the current state
>> of 'Office Towers' which is still, unfortunately, not anywhere near the
>> goals we had originally set out (circa 2008).
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>> It is no secret that I have supported open standards for 3D on the web
>> since the very beginning, 3D being a passion I had even before the web
>> became a thing, back in the days of BBSs and the 'Remote Imaging Protocol'
>> language for vector graphics over ASCII. I could also speak of several of
>> our team members' impressive background.
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>> But even with such a good team and all the drive we had to really make a
>> difference, it wasn't enough. We needed an even bigger team that would have
>> included more people in accounting, graphics design, marketing, sales, etc.
>> with the ability to devote significant time to the project. In other words,
>> I underestimated the scope of the project while over-estimating the staying
>> power of people working from the goodness of their heart.
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>> Perhaps we should've tried to seek funding, but seeing how other
>> seemingly well funded endeavors failed almost consistently, this was never
>> a decision I was prepared to make, and quite possibly the single most
>> important reason why Office Towers remains up to this day.
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>> However, we are now in a different time. I believe the ideas you brought
>> forward are good if they can be integrated into sustainable business models
>> and backed by reasonable injections of venture capital. Otherwise,
>> enterprises with such attributes will always have the upper hand in the
>> marketplace and continue to make it difficult for others to achieve a
>> meaningful presence.
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>> One thing I have learned for myself is that 'timing is everything'. Maybe
>> now is the time for open standards deployment on a mass scale. Like many, I
>> too long for standard 3D network protocols, and I like that you seem to be
>> suggesting something in the lines of 'interaction protocols'.
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>> One last note. While HTML5 has its place, I see it more as a stepping
>> stone into lower lever applications. My opinion is that HTML5 can be a
>> great way to help people get their feet wet, but to truly bring forward the
>> power of 3D/VR into business apps, we need to be able to tap directly into
>> modern graphics card APIs. Gina Lauren
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>> *From:* x3d-public [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] *On Behalf Of *John
>> Carlson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:09 PM
>> *To:* Don Brutzman
>> *Cc:* X3D Graphics public mailing list
>> *Subject:* [x3d-public] higher level networking and potential for
>> animated semantics.
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>> Long semi-rant.   Take aways:   Let’s animate semantics.   Let’s create a
>> “12”-level networking stack (would JINI be appropriate?).  Let’s create
>> apps and networks that morph to counteract malware.
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>> I do think that X3D sits at what I call “The application level” of
>> networking, and it has a strong position there.   I don’t know any other
>> product with such a strong 3D presence.   Second life and apps selling “3D
>> chat” seem to have faded.  NVIDIA’s certainly pushing towards 3D transfer
>> near the application level.   As we have seen with other applications on
>> the web, these application level transfers should be visible to the
>> developer for debugging and verification.
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>> I can see a merging of remote work and 3D.
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>> There are several types of work, research, design, development,
>> integration, quality assurance, deployment, and maintenance.   Something
>> like officetowers.com might provide insights into how we might integrate
>> 3D into our software work.   I am very sorry that I fumbled many times in
>> creating an environment suitable for this.   Thank goodness I learned the
>> lesson that I couldn’t do this all by myself.
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>> I think we need to step up from the application level of networking and
>> think about more than client-server programming.   We need higher level
>> protocols, perhaps human patterns or protocols for building human networks
>> and systems that can survive COVID-19, 20, 21, ...  we can’t, for the sake
>> of the survival of our species, give up space exploration.   But perhaps we
>> need to explore more mystical paths, yet also provide a charitable path as
>> well (mixed?).
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>> The HTML5 environment has progressed far enough along I think, to support
>> “3D enterprises” or “3D commerce.”  Obviously everyone is trying to see how
>> 3D fits into remote work.   At the same time, I think we should consider
>> how virtual worlds affect our belief systems and governments.   Has anyone
>> shown a simulation of belief?   How important is honesty?  Semantics is
>> only the first step.   What if we could animate semantics?   This would
>> likely be a very big project.   Perhaps we could make it a mobile
>> distributed project.
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>> What lessons were there in Open Wonderland?
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>> I think Google’s “generic” approach is appropriate for the public.   I do
>> not think we should make all organizations generic lest they fall prey to
>> virus or cyberattack.
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>> Imagine if we still had the stovepipe systems of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
>> Anyone remember “Cuckoo’s Egg”?
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>> Is anyone selling virtual estate besides Second Life?
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>> Does the Internet need an “off” switch?
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>> Don’t mind me.   I live among the corn and beans.
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>> Don’t mind me, someone wrote metamindwriter on my mind today.   A new
>> word!   I feel like Neale Walsch.   I’m not a writer, I’m a mathematician!
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>> I do thing we need a verification process and fingerprinting for
>> cyberattack tools.
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>> I’m thinking we need applications that can morph yet maintain
>> functionality—take a page out of malware playbook.
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>> John
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