[x3d-public] Command-line/ant database client?

[Don Brutzman]

Thanks for your thoughts John.

We have everything we need for both data and metadata in the X3D4 Architecture.

Our tasks at hand are to get corresponding file encodings and programming languages well defined (in specifications), well supported (in tools) and well demonstrated (in examples).

We are making steady progress on all counts.  We need to do well at those, work continues.  As we do so, many other things become relatively easy and will come our way.  No need to chase in every direction.

And so let's keep working on tasks at hand.

Am getting closer at CORS support for authors in X3D-Edit.  Tricky business, requires careful implementation that will help.  So I am not irritated about tools whatsoever, quite the opposite.  Am finding that all of the pieces/parts needed are out there, am putting them together in one place.  X3D-Edit beta is already helping with our improvement of X3D model production, onward we go.

Please advise where your latest greatest for the following key items might be, I'll continue working in that direction.

a. JSON Schema (can we finally autogenerate) and stable library support (Java please) for integrating in examples.

b. Example Java code to integrate in X3DJSAIL for loading JSON.  (hopefully testable in a simple program also utilizing the x3djsail full jar.)

Please do not just point at a url and say "Everything is Found in the Giant Hidden Valley Way Over Yonder."  Well intentioned no doubt, but unfortunately not actionable, I have no time permitting re-exploration of your journeys.

Small steps from something existing to something additional are much preferred.  So please curate and instead offer "here is the simple implementation, and example test."  That is easier to examine, implement, evaluate and add.

Hope this helps.  Thanks for your important efforts.


On 6/18/2021 2:10 PM, John Carlson wrote:
> 
> Seeking better tools: irritated too.   We have ways to get text, image, price/product, math, geo and video results from a search engine, but not meshes, graphs, systems (do we have good ways to make systems searchable?), and networks, except for social connections, perhaps.   Where are 3, 4 and fractional dimensional results?  I’m aware of what Princeton has shown with shapes.   I think the main issue may be we don’t have good ways to query such things…neo4j query language perhaps?  GraphQL? Are there demos on the web?  SPARQL?   Where are the VR results?
> 
> What ways are there to search across the 3D web?  Can I search for 3D house models?   Net-lists? How can the web be better oriented for 3D search?  What if we could develop something for searching Minecraft servers?
> 
> What is the equivalent of grep for 3D?   Is there a better X3D encoding for searching?  I’m aware of metadata.   Say I want to pull all <Shape>’s out of a file system or remote folder and display/browse or save them?   How do I grep STL files?
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> ===============
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> For bash-sql
> 
> I agree, Don, seems like the best approach is to keep a log of test results, but I don’t know if I should create a separate script or not.  That is, maintain a script for transient results in addition to a script that keeps results in version control for comparison.
> 
> I looked into GitHub Actions for a bit, I’m not sure if I can introduce a custom shell script that  takes a lot of CPU time.
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> I don’t really like databases anyway—I don’t have the mindset for it.   If there was a good integration between bash and SQL I might be more interested.   I assume that power-shell might have something, but I’m not sure of cross platform compatibility.
> 
> Note: both vim and emacs have database integrations.
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> I guess I could write my own scripting language?  Hmm.    What are people missing from their current environments?
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> Does Tcl or Ant do pipelines?  I guess include/exclude may solve that issue.
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> Perhaps it’s time for me to write up some requirements to go shopping for a different environment.
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> I haven’t bought into the graphical IDE mindset at the moment.  I’m not sure why.  Perhaps if I could grep and find across web pages easily (wget? curl? lynx?).  I know eclipse has a way to search across files.
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> I’m sorry I’m such a noob.
> 
> John
> 
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>> wrote:
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>     On 6/17/2021 6:35 PM, John Carlson wrote:
>      > Anyone know of a command-line database client?
> 
>     dozens, see Vince email
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>      > Are you interested in a possible ant integration, Don?
> 
>     no, they require a lot of upkeep and break or get garbled over time
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>     XML and catalogs preferred, inspectable and doesn't break.
> 
>     even better is consistent file naming and directory structures, ant just handles that.  see our 4000 examples.
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>      > I will be using it for inserting and selecting test results.   It should probably keep track of test runs, for example.
> 
>     if you wish - no problem with that, but not advisable as a shared resource.
> 
>     all the best, Don
>     -- 
>     Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>
>     Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA   +1.831.656.2149
>     X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman <http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman>
> 

all the best, Don
-- 
Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br       brutzman at nps.edu
Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA   +1.831.656.2149
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman