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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Tony,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your very quick response.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would like to add that I think my interpretation
is more than reasonable, because it makes good economic sense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Any interpretation other than what Xj3D
and Contact uses forces the developer to add a <span class=SpellE>ProximitySensor</span>
into the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>scene</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> to turn off the animation -resulting in a duplication of effort because
the LOD already tracks the user.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The LOD/<span class=SpellE>VisibilitySensor</span>
tandem combo is elegant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Russ Kinter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tony Parisi
[mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">tparisi@vivaty.com</st1:PersonName>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009
4:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Russ Kinter;
x3d-public@web3d.org; vrml<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> FreeWRL X3D/VRML Viewer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [WWW-Vrml]
VisibilitySensor in LOD Level Browser Tests</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Hi Russ<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I believe this.
Vivaty Player doesn’t cull out sensors if their boxes aren’t part
of the active scene graph. It’s never been clear to me—nor explicit
in the spec—as to what the correct behavior is supposed to be for a
sensor that is switched out of a Switch or LOD. It would be nice to get some
clarifying language in the spec someday.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>But your
interpretation is totally reasonable. Sorry if we came down on the wrong side
of it :-o I promise you it was motivated purely by the desire to keep an already
complicated implementation as simple as we could. But I could certainly be
talked into changing this in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
www-vrml-bounces@web3d.org [mailto:www-vrml-bounces@web3d.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Russ Kinter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009
1:05 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> x3d-public@web3d.org; 'vrml'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">'FreeWRL
X3D/VRML Viewer'</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [WWW-Vrml]
VisibilitySensor in LOD Level Browser Tests<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have been doing some testing of including a
VisibilitySensor as a member of the first level of the LOD Node to control an
animation. The idea is that the animation won’t start until the animated
geometry appears in the range of the LOD.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The VisibilitySensor is grouped with this geometry.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The results work similar to a ProximitySensor. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This method should work according to “The Annotated
VRML 97 Reference Manual” at <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.cs.vu.nl/~eliens/documents/vrml/reference/CH3.HTM#VisibilitySensor">http://www.cs.vu.nl/~eliens/documents/vrml/reference/CH3.HTM#VisibilitySensor</a>
:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>“If <i><span style='font-style:italic'>enabled</span></i>
is TRUE, the VisibilitySensor node detects changes to the visibility status of
the box specified and sends events through the <i><span style='font-style:italic'>isActive</span></i>
eventOut. A TRUE event is output to <i><span style='font-style:italic'>isActive</span></i>
when any portion of the box impacts the rendered view. A FALSE event is sent
when the box has no effect on the view. Browsers shall guarantee that, if <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>isActive</span></i> is FALSE, the box has absolutely
no effect on the rendered view. Browsers may err liberally when <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>isActive</span></i> is TRUE. For example, the box may
affect the rendering.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If the VisibilitySensor as a member of a LOD level is
currently out of range that means its box is NOT impacting the rendered view,
so its isActive output should be FALSE.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This test world: <a
href="http://www.sevenemeraldtablets.net/VisibilityTest/VisibilityTest2.wrl">http://www.sevenemeraldtablets.net/VisibilityTest/VisibilityTest2.wrl</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>however shows mixed results for various browsers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There is a HUD display of the VisibilitySensor and
TimeSensor activity. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The transparent red cube is both the
VisibilitySensor’s box and LOD range boundary. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Xj3D and Contact get it right! kudos!.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Vivaty does initially, but if the user enters box/LOD level
and turns on the animation and then leaves the range<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Vivaty won’t switch off the animation, so the LOD is
ignored after the VisibilitySensor is activated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The VisibilitySensor seems to work as it should otherwise. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>InstantPlayer fails in that it will not shut off the
VisibilitySensor when it is out of the LOD range.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The LOD has no affect on it and is ignored. The
VisibilitySensor works as it should otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>CosmoPlayer does the opposite of Vivaty. It makes the
VisibilitySensor active on load, but once the viewer enters the range<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and leaves, then the test works just like it should.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>FreeWRL works initially, but once the LOD range is entered
and the VisibiltySensor is activated, then the VisibiltySensor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>isActive TRUE no matter what –even when the red box is
out of sight and out of mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Clicking on the cones to change viewpoints FreeWRL puts the
user at the wrong coordinates. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Cortona 5.1 fails completely. The VisibilitySensor isActive
TRUE no matter what -even if the user is completely turned away.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>OctagaPlayer fails too in exactly the same way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Russ Kinter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>"All the fires of Cain's motivation cannot burn a love
that's sound." - Stacy Sutherland</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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