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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font>To my thinking: the
same motivation one would have to support openGL : increased portability and
interoperability makes business sense to me.“</p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mine too. Portability of content is
what I want. As the artist, I don’t WANT to pick the radios.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Art production requires lots of time
in. For the time in to pay out, content has to be resilient to shocks
from the browser. That makes it hard to host and rehost anything but
video. Some really easy to apply interface widgets can greatly
improve productivity but are costly to experiment with on the host given the
distribution of the host. Software kudzu. One response
is to identify and reward the strengths of the software instead of working to
perfect the deficits, in this case, take advantage of X3D’s relative
isolation and agree quickly to build widgets that DO reduce the authoring load
and are sharable among the local software ecosystem. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>VRML/X3D browser vendors should be
collapsing the space for ease of authorship * maintenance, or roughly, how much
time can be spent making new assets vs maintaining viable stock resources.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ultimately content domains like biological
domains cohere in the face of novelty through practice, memory and feedback.
A framework of response domains maps the services to the organizations
that perform them in response to the panarchies that authorize them in response
to the event/incident type. That is the key to resilience.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org
[mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Thorne<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Monday, May 03,
2010</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:22 AM</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Russ Kinter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> X3D Graphics public mailing
list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [X3D-Public]
multiuser mode (newbie question)</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On </span></font>3 May 2010 13:37, Russ Kinter <<a href="mailto:pyth7@verizon.net" target="_blank">pyth7@verizon.net</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Chris
Thorne [mailto:<a href="mailto:dragonmagi@gmail.com" target="_blank">dragonmagi@gmail.com</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sunday, May 02,
2010</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>8:35 PM</span></font><font size=2
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Christoph Valentin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Russ Kinter; <a
href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [X3D-Public]
multiuser mode (newbie question)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>There appeared to be little will among the Browser
vendors to collectively agree on and work on a standardised sensor node and
protocol. It may also be that my expectations for real progress to an agreed
standard in a 2 year time frame was unrealistic. Anyway, status quo seems a
little better but nowhere near [my] original target, and I have moved on.</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>[Russ Kinter] But at the end of the day what remains of
the VRML/X3D community now has an open-source Node standard that really
isn’t open-source.</span></font></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>It is true there are no open source implementations of
the proposed connection and network sensor nodes. but the nodes are not part of
the standard as you seem to suggest.</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Do you really believe that the two biggest and
strongest players BSContact and Octaga with their own protocols are going play
nice and help establish one protocol in the future?</span></font></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I had thought it was to everyones advantage, including
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>To my thinking: the same motivation one would have to
support openGL : increased portability and interoperability makes business
sense to me. </span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Maybe it is a way to force customers who use their MU
servers to buy the new version, because the latest versions of the clients
won’t handle the old protocol?</span></font></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>yes - that is a kind of vendor lockin than many
companies go for. That is their business decision and I respect that, tho I
don't particularly like it. </span></font></p>
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