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Hi<br /><br />Some additional questions/thoughts............<br /><br />Opinion: The following sentence is true for any Web3D browser and any<br /> multiuser system:<br /> In any X3D/VRML multiuser session with M users and N instances of a<br /> Web3D browser, each (pilot) user controls one pilot avatar and N-1 follower avatars.<br /><br />Question#1: Can we think of situations, where the pilot avatar and the user do<br />not share the same instance of the Web3D Browser, but use different instances?<br /><br />Question#2: How far is the interface between user and his pilot avatar<br />standardized? Do exist de facto standards?<br /><br />Question#3: How far is the interface between pilot avatar and his followers<br />standardized? Do exist de facto standards?<br /><br />Question#4: Could anybody recommend authoring tools for X3D/VRML avatars?<br /> (pricing according to hobby use cases, it should be flexible and<br /> extensible, fitting to any Web3D browser, best would be open source)<br /><br />Thanks for your help........<br /><br />Christoph<br /> <blockquote type="cite">
<p>-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br />Datum: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:03:17 +0000<br />Von: Sven-Erik Tiberg <Sven-Erik.Tiberg@ltu.se><br />An: Yvonne Jung <yjung@igd.fhg.de><br />CC: X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br />Betreff: Re: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br /><br /></p>
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<div>Open up new possibilities combining kinetik with instant reality AR!</div>
<div>David: you writes about a server can it be a server demon in the same computer that are running Kinetik / OpenNI and a X3D browser or application?</div>
<div>/Sven-Erik<br /><br /> Skickat från min iPhone</div>
<div> <br /> 17 nov 2011 kl. 20:59 skrev "Yvonne Jung" <<a href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de775537786.1321637712.5acd05d0&to=yjung%40igd.fhg.de">yjung@igd.fhg.de</a>>:<br /><br /> </div>
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Kinect can be used together with Instant Reality:</div>
<a href="http://doc.instantreality.org/tutorial/using-openni-devices/"></a><a href="http://doc.instantreality.org/tutorial/using-openni-devices/">http://doc.instantreality.org/tutorial/using-openni-devices/</a>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div>Yvonne <br />
<div> <br /> Am 17.11.2011 um 19:23 schrieb Dave A <<a href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de775537786.1321637712.5acd05d0&to=dave%40realmofconcepts.com"></a><a href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de775537786.1321637712.5acd05d0&to=dave%40realmofconcepts.com">dave@realmofconcepts.com</a>>:<br /><br /> </div>
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<div>I think you would need it running a server, which may be localhost, and talk to that via Ajax or network sensor. Of course if a browser can be extended via DLL, that browser could talk directly to the Kinect, but if you want it multi-platform, local server is the most generic.<br /> OpenNI includes hand tracking. Not sure where they are with finger tracking yet. <br /> OpenCV and OpenNI have been used together for extra tracking goodness.<br /><br /> Dave A<br /><br /> On 11/17/2011 1:50 AM, Sven-Erik Tiberg wrote: <blockquote type="cite"> <style id="owaParaStyle" type="text/css">P {margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px}
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<p>The newly relesed Kinect SDK <a href="http://kinectforwindows.org/"></a><a href="http://kinectforwindows.org/">http://kinectforwindows.org/</a> seems interesting, but how to connect it to a X3D sceen. </p>
<p>Maybee trough some NetworkSensorNode using some protocol and JScript using libs from <a href="http://strophe.im/"></a><a href="http://strophe.im/">http://strophe.im/</a>, or a C++ based X3Dbrowser but then it's limited to that browser.</p>
<p>This will give body gesture control, could it be possible to add OpenCV based code to add hand/finger control.</p>
<p>And can we use "brain position feedback control" to on the fly calibrate positions and will it introduse brain fatigue.</p>
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<p>Just some thoughts.</p>
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<p>/Sven-Erik</p>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height:29px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:x-small;font-weight:bold;">This is a step in the right direction.</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height:29px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:x-small;font-weight:bold">Microsoft XBox 360 Kinect preview for X3D applications</span></div>
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