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<p>Hi</p>
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<p>Your reply Yvonne Jung <a href="mailto:yjung@igd.fhg.de">yjung@igd.fhg.de</a>:</p>
<p>" Kinect can be used together with Instant Reality:<br>
http://doc.instantreality.org/tutorial/using-openni-devices/ "</p>
<p>made me look into OpenNI as a generic HID interface for Kineckt to any application / network protocol. </p>
<p>IMHO: Open up interesting areas. </p>
<p>Same with your interface for AR ( InstantReality ) to Kineckt and hopefully to more Human Interface devices.</p>
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<p>Found a facebook group about OpenNI with a lot of usefull info but missed to save it a favourite, anyone knowing about it. </p>
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<p>Presently looking for a XMPP extension to OpenNI, where it could be possible to use HAnim XML schema to define and transfere positions of humans / avatars.</p>
<p>You may excuse me for focusing on XMPP but so far IMHO it fills most of the needs for a MU system even including simulink models with network interface and running in Pseudo RT mode.</p>
<p>Noticed that Haptic3D ( H3D ) can interface XMPP using xmppy lib.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Seems that it's possible to make a powerfull MU system using a lot of OpenSource products and initatives.</p>
<p>And a bit of brain and keyboard efford.</p>
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<p>Consider now how to use the h-amin XML chema and if it's possible to reduce the chema för different 3D applications.</p>
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<p>BG</p>
<p>/Sven-Erik Tiberg</p>
<p>Lulea Univ. of Technology.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> x3d-public@3dnpvei.com; x3d-public@web3d.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [X3D-Public] UI Standards. WAS: When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
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<div>Hi Lauren<br>
<br>
Completely agree.<br>
<br>
I should have better matched the "Network Sensor" with the "socket interface". Both have nothing to do with the actually used network and transport protocols.<br>
<br>
Regarding the MU Server topic, I'd historically match MU Servers with the different Networks (Ethernet, Token Ring, .......), where the network sensor + protocol tbd. would historically match to socket interface + TCP/IP.<br>
<br>
However, I'm no prophet, so future will show, if this comparison will have been valid :-)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Christoph<br>
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<p>-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>
Datum: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 05:55:34 -0500<br>
Von: "x3d-public" <x3d-public@3dnpvei.com><br>
An: "'Christoph Valentin'" <christoph.valentin@gmx.at>, x3d-public@web3d.org<br>
Betreff: RE: UI Standards. WAS: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
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Christoph, <br>
<br>
You were asking "how far?". And, IOW, my answer was 'that-is-how-far for MU UI standards, but why'. I wanted to help explore what it is you had in mind because I found it intriguing.<br>
<br>
>...if the pilot avatar has some properties that mandate to "run" the pilot avatar in a given instance.<br>
<br>
I did not mean to completely hijack this thread but, isn't that exactly was MU servers are for? If the avatar is in a different instance then that avatar is no longer pilot, right? You are talking about a MU client-server relationship and that is just what
they (the MU servers) help do. Or do I not understand your point correctly?<br>
<br>
Likewise, tcp/ip can, like other protocols, be used in the context of a network sensor implementation, or any MU network for that matter (Network Sensor is only a name for a set of agreed-upon implementation parameters and methods. Just another link in the
network chain. In and by itself doesn't really do anything. But I digress). <br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Lauren<br>
3dnpvei.com<br>
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From: Christoph Valentin [mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at] <br>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:08 AM<br>
To: x3d-public@3dnpvei.com<br>
Cc: x3d-public@web3d.org<br>
Subject: Re: UI Standards. WAS: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
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Hello Lauren<br>
<br>
Thanks for your answers.<br>
<br>
ad "Interesting questions. What do you have in mind?":<br>
In his original answer, Dave wrote: "you would need it running a server,<br>
which may be localhost". I'm just thinking the next step: What, if is NOT localhost?<br>
Could have impacts on performance. And what, if the pilot avatar has some <br>
properties that mandate to "run" the pilot avatar in a given instance?<br>
<br>
2- X3D is the best example that standardization needs not necessarily preclude innovation,<br>
as long as the standard is flexible and extensible enough.<br>
However, it's always an art of timing (doing it not too early and not too late).<br>
<br>
3 - regarding DIS, I'd like to be "blind on that eye" :-)<br>
You know, I'm comparing the network sensor with TCP/IP (regarding its<br>
historical relevance)<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Christoph<br>
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-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>
Datum: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:40:29 -0500<br>
Von: "x3d-public" <x3d-public@3dnpvei.com><br>
An: "'Christoph Valentin'" <christoph.valentin@gmx.at>, x3d-public@web3d.org<br>
Betreff: UI Standards. WAS: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
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Hello Christoph,<br>
<br>
Interesting questions. What do you have in mind? Let me try to answer. <br>
<br>
1- Perhaps in a third party view, but then the second browser instance would be controlling the pilot (if there is/was such an impmentation). So what's the difference? I am not sure what you are asking exactly.
<br>
<br>
2- Good question perhaps. But do we really want avatar user-interface standardization? If you look at the game industry for example, innovations is a driving factor. Wouldn't standardization impede innovation in that regard?<br>
<br>
3- I think you may want to look into Distributed Interactive Simulation (DIS) and even Living Worlds for an historical perspective if you haven't (but I suspect you have). There have been some implementation efforts of these and other proposals, but MU user-interface
standards??? I would refer back to question #2. <br>
<br>
4- You can download Avatar Studio 2 and patch files at officetowers.com (click My Avatar).<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Lauren<br>
3dnpvei.com<br>
<br>
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From: x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org [mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Valentin<br>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:47 PM<br>
To: Sven-Erik Tiberg; x3d-public@web3d.org<br>
Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
<br>
Hi<br>
<br>
Some additional questions/thoughts............<br>
<br>
Opinion: The following sentence is true for any Web3D browser and any<br>
multiuser system:<br>
In any X3D/VRML multiuser session with M users and N instances of a<br>
Web3D browser, each (pilot) user controls one pilot avatar and N-1 follower avatars.<br>
<br>
Question#1: Can we think of situations, where the pilot avatar and the user do<br>
not share the same instance of the Web3D Browser, but use different instances?<br>
<br>
Question#2: How far is the interface between user and his pilot avatar<br>
standardized? Do exist de facto standards?<br>
<br>
Question#3: How far is the interface between pilot avatar and his followers<br>
standardized? Do exist de facto standards?<br>
<br>
Question#4: Could anybody recommend authoring tools for X3D/VRML avatars?<br>
(pricing according to hobby use cases, it should be flexible and<br>
extensible, fitting to any Web3D browser, best would be open source)<br>
<br>
Thanks for your help........<br>
<br>
Christoph<br>
<br>
-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>
Datum: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:03:17 +0000<br>
Von: Sven-Erik Tiberg <Sven-Erik.Tiberg@ltu.se><br>
An: Yvonne Jung <yjung@igd.fhg.de><br>
CC: X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br>
Betreff: Re: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
Hi<br>
<br>
Open up new possibilities combining kinetik with instant reality AR!<br>
David: you writes about a server can it be a server demon in the same computer that are running Kinetik / OpenNI and a X3D browser or application?<br>
/Sven-Erik<br>
<br>
Skickat från min iPhone<br>
<br>
17 nov 2011 kl. 20:59 skrev "Yvonne Jung" <yjung@igd.fhg.de>:<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Kinect can be used together with Instant Reality:<br>
http://doc.instantreality.org/tutorial/using-openni-devices/ <br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Yvonne <br>
<br>
Am 17.11.2011 um 19:23 schrieb Dave A <dave@realmofconcepts.com>:<br>
<br>
I think you would need it running a server, which may be localhost, and talk to that via Ajax or network sensor. Of course if a browser can be extended via DLL, that browser could talk directly to the Kinect, but if you want it multi-platform, local server
is the most generic.<br>
OpenNI includes hand tracking. Not sure where they are with finger tracking yet. <br>
OpenCV and OpenNI have been used together for extra tracking goodness.<br>
<br>
Dave A<br>
<br>
On 11/17/2011 1:50 AM, Sven-Erik Tiberg wrote: <br>
The newly relesed Kinect SDK http://kinectforwindows.org/ seems interesting, but how to connect it to a X3D sceen.
<br>
Maybee trough some NetworkSensorNode using some protocol and JScript using libs from http://strophe.im/, or a C++ based X3Dbrowser but then it's limited to that browser.<br>
This will give body gesture control, could it be possible to add OpenCV based code to add hand/finger control.<br>
And can we use "brain position feedback control" to on the fly calibrate positions and will it introduse brain fatigue.<br>
<br>
Just some thoughts.<br>
<br>
/Sven-Erik<br>
<br>
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From: x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org [x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org] on behalf of Damon H [web3dstudent@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:28 PM<br>
To: John Carlson<br>
Cc: X3D Graphics public mailing list<br>
Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] When will see Kinect + X3D input? Soon? Here's Kinect + World of Warcraft<br>
This is a step in the right direction.<br>
Microsoft XBox 360 Kinect preview for X3D applications<br>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxoPKj5tVs <br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Carlson <john.carlson3@sbcglobal.net> wrote:<br>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62wj8eJ0FHw<br>
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