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Hi Russ<br /><br />Just one thought:<br /><br />Internet started its marvellous success story also, because the IP stack was "buried" in the operating system.<br /><br />It's just a conclusion by analogy and I don't have a proof that it works.<br /><br />But I think, when we do not build the networking "on top" of the Web3D Browsers, but "bury" the networking in the standards, then the success will be greater.<br /><br />All the best<br />Christoph<br /><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>Can CarSim interface with a language such as Java, C++ or any language capable of estalishing a socket? </div>
<div>If so, there is your answer. </div>
<div>Let EAI do the networking and not clutter and overload the X3D spec with redundant code. </div>
<div>But I better keep my mouth shut other wise I'll attract "walkers".</div>
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<span style="font-family:arial;color:#000000;font-size:12px">On 11/18/12, <span>Sven-Erik <a href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=Tiberg%26lt%3BSven-Erik.Tiberg%40ltu.se">Tiberg<Sven-Erik.Tiberg@ltu.se></a></span> wrote:</span>
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<div style="font-family:Tahoma;direction:ltr;color:#000000;font-size:10pt">Hi pyth7<br /><br />Mybee you are right on it's a "Walking dead" <br />But way alternative can you come up with on a open source network protocol suited multi X3D nodes and non X3D nodes like CarSim interfacing Mathworks Simulink.<br />Togther forming a driver simulator.<br />I'm just go 2 groups of students readdy to make this happend.<br />Can be a option to in RT transfere positions, rotation,,,, and live video to handle a model car.<br />An area of applications for this projeare are supporting car testing under arctic conditions.<br /><br />So please tell me any optional protocol to use before we put more effort into usiing RT-XMPP for X3D space and Matworks / Simulink MU system.<br /><br />/Sven-Erik Tiberg<br /><br /><br />
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<div style="direction:ltr" id="divRpF11270"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><strong>From:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=pyth7%40verizon.net" class="parsedEmailparsedEmail">pyth7@verizon.net</a> [<a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=pyth7%40verizon.net" class="parsedEmailparsedEmail">pyth7@verizon.net</a>]<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, October 26, 2012 2:28 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=christoph.valentin%40gmx.at" class="parsedEmailparsedEmail">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>; Sven-Erik Tiberg<br /><strong>Cc:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=x3d-public%40web3d.org" class="parsedEmailparsedEmail">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: Re: [X3D-Public] XMPP / XML schema JScript ( Networksensor )<br /></font><br /> </div>
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<div>Is this the plot for an upcoming episode of the "Walking Dead"?</div>
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<span style="font-family:arial;color:#000000;font-size:12px">On 10/26/12, <span>Christoph Valentin<<a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=christoph.valentin%40gmx.at" class="parsedEmailparsedEmail">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>></span> wrote:</span>
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<div style="font-family:arial;color:#000000;font-size:12px">Hi Sven-Erik<br /><br />So, when it's about the Network Sensor, we had a discussion about evolution of the Network Sensor concept.<br /><br />This was during January through March 2011, in the thread "The Network Sensor is not enough".<br /><br />Original e-mail was this: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2011-January/001401.html" class="parsedLink">http://www.web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2011-January/001401.html</a><br /><br />All the best<br />Christoph<br /><br /><br />-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br />Gesendet: Thursday, 25 October 2012 um 16:28:08 Uhr<br />Von: "Don Brutzman" <<a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=brutzman%40nps.edu" class="parsedEmailparsedEmailparsedEmail">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br />An: "Sven-Erik Tiberg" <<a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=Sven-Erik.Tiberg%40ltu.se" class="parsedEmailparsedEmailparsedEmail">Sven-Erik.Tiberg@ltu.se</a>><br />Betreff: Re: [X3D-Public] XMPP / XML schema JScript ( Networksensor )<br />On 10/22/2012 10:16 AM, Sven-Erik Tiberg wrote:<br />> Hi<br />> <br />> Some time ago it was a tread regarding interfacing jscript to x3d scenes with suggestions for Node name suggestions for routing.<br />> <br />> Seems to remember that there are a suggestion for a group working with making a Networksensor similar interface for JScript / Python.<br />> <br />> Any tips on these items?<br /><br />Hi Sven-Erik<br /><br />High-water mark for the NetworkSensor node effort is maintained in the X3D Basic Examples under Networking.<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/Networking" class="parsedLink">http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/Networking</a><br /><br />This directory documents attempts to define and build a new NetworkSensor node for X3D. Although useful design progress was made by the X3D working group, this work did not reach closure because author-written implementations did not appear to be possible using X3D prototypes. Further implementation and evaluation work might someday be pursued using an X3D browser implementation.<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/Networking/NetworkSensorConnectionNodes.html" class="parsedLink">http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/Networking/NetworkSensorConnectionNodes.html</a> (attached)<br /><br />Examples of additional networking techniques for X3D can also be added to this archive. Of related interest: the Distributed Interactive Simulation (DIS) examples in this archive, which include native X3D support for the IEEE Distributed Interactive Simulation (DIS) networking-protocol standard.<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/DistributedInteractiveSimulation" class="parsedLink">http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/DistributedInteractiveSimulation</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Interactive_Simulation" class="parsedLink">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Interactive_Simulation</a><br /><br />all the best, Don<br />-- <br />Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=brutzman%40nps.edu" class="parsedEmailparsedEmailparsedEmail">brutzman@nps.edu</a><br />Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<br />X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics <a target="_blank" href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" class="parsedLink">http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><br />_______________________________________________<br />X3D-Public mailing list<br /><a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=X3D-Public%40web3d.org" class="parsedEmailparsedEmailparsedEmail">X3D-Public@web3d.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org" class="parsedLink">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a><br /><br />_______________________________________________<br />X3D-Public mailing list<br /><a target="_blank" href="https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/g.fcgi/mail/new?CUSTOMERNO=28383878&t=de2010906145.1353255432.32f3f8b&to=X3D-Public%40web3d.org" class="parsedEmailparsedEmailparsedEmail">X3D-Public@web3d.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org" class="parsedLink">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a><br /> </div>
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