<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div><div>Dear Don, Hi all<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Especially, I am referring to following mails and to the answers from Don Brutzman.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Are the answers still valid?<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Is there some other open source (!) effort that makes my effort redundant?<br/></div><div><br/></div><div><a href="https://3c.gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.web3d.org%2Fpipermail%2Fx3d-public_web3d.org%2F2011-February%2F001423.html&selection=tfol11bf2884f7dd2848" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2011-February/001423.html</a><br/>[quoting Don Brutzman:] the more we do, the more we will do. looking forward to future progress.<br/><br/><a href="https://3c.gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.web3d.org%2Fpipermail%2Fx3d-public_web3d.org%2F2011-February%2F001427.html&selection=tfol11bf2884f7dd2848" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2011-February/001427.html</a><br/>That's, why I am referring to "IETF defined protocol"<br/><br/><a href="https://3c.gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.web3d.org%2Fpipermail%2Fx3d-public_web3d.org%2F2011-February%2F001433.html&selection=tfol11bf2884f7dd2848" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2011-February/001433.html</a><br/>[quoting Don Brutzman:] yes. that is why we keep patiently improving the DIS suites<br/>and offering to help browser implementers use the open source.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Kind regards<br/></div>Christoph<br/>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 16. März 2013 um 17:28 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <christoph.valentin@gmx.at><br/>
<b>An:</b> x3d-public@web3d.org<br/>
<b>Cc:</b> dumenieualainorange <dumenieualain@orange.fr>, "Andreas Schoebel" <andreas.schoebel@tuwien.ac.at>, "Christian Schoebel" <scoe@brg19.at><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> [X3D-Public] Fw: future of simulrr.sourceforge.net
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<div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div><div>fyi<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>suggesting new sourceforge project <a href="http://smuos.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://smuos.sourceforge.net</a><br/></div><div><br/></div><div>SMUOS = Simple Multiuser Online Scenes<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>comments welcome, especially about need for this project<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>all the best<br/></div><div>Christoph<br/>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 16. März 2013 um 11:35 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <christoph.peter.valentin@gmx.at><br/>
<b>An:</b> Kein Empfänger<br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Fw: future of simulrr.sourceforge.net
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<div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div><div>Dear Friends of SrrTrains<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Since I sent this e-mail one and a half weeks ago, I have received positive feed back from France and from Sweden. See the e-mail chain below for more information.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Now I will additionally consult some of you at the LAN Party #3, then we will do a decision.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>As some initial steps, I did following things:<br/></div><div><br/></div><div><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div style="margin-left: 40.0px;">1) I splitted the hobby reports on page <a href="https://3c.gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fsimulrr.wordpress.com%2Fberichte&selection=tfol11bf287bbf709ec6" target="_blank">http://simulrr.wordpress.com/berichte</a> into two categories<br/></div>
<div style="margin-left: 80.0px;"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 80.0px;">a) Hobby reports for <u>X3D authors</u> (currently written in German language, except one report, which was spent by Alain Dumenieu in English language)<br/></div>
<div style="margin-left: 80.0px;"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 80.0px;">b) Hobby reports for<u> programmers</u> (all written in English language, only one minor concept paper in German)<br/></div>
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<div style="margin-left: 80.0px;">Hope, the page is now better readable.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 80.0px;"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40.0px;">2) I created a new sourceforge project (scope not defined yet): <a href="http://smuos.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://smuos.sourceforge.net</a><br/></div>
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<div>Have a nice week<br/></div>
<div>Christoph<br/></div></div></div><div><br/></div><div><br/>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 08. März 2013 um 17:13 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> christoph.valentin@gmx.at<br/>
<b>An:</b> dumenieualainorange <dumenieualain@orange.fr><br/>
<b>Cc:</b> Sven-Erik.Tiberg@ltu.se<br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Aw: Re: future of simulrr.sourceforge.net
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<div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>Dear Alain<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>I will try to continue. But first let me consult my friends and my wife.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>I have got postive feed back from Sven-Erik Tiberg about option C).<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>So you give me positive feed back about option B).<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>If we go for option B), then I will send a mail to X3D-public, asking if there is somebody out there, who already runs BS Collaborate 1.307 on a public server. I guess, it could really be possible somebody like this already exists.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>I remember I have read in some technical description of BS Collaborate that this server supports splitting the traffic to independent "chat rooms".<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>So, even if the server costs 20.000 EUR, it could be possible that there is somebody out there, where we can rent a BS Collaborate "chat room" for lets say 5-10 people for let's say 50 EUR/month. This would be affordable.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>I'm not a friend of running the test version of BS Collaborate illegally on some public Windows machine 24/7.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>And I'm not a friend of buying the BS Collaborate my self and becoming an entrepreneur, who sells chat rooms to other people. This would not fit to my personal psychological profile, even if the business case could pay off.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>All the best<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Christoph<br/>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 08. März 2013 um 16:03 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> dumenieualainorange <dumenieualain@orange.fr><br/>
<b>An:</b> christoph.valentin@gmx.at<br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: future of simulrr.sourceforge.net
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear Christoph,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">you know my opinion,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">but I re told you :</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1 - You MUST continue with trains or not , srr or
smuos or both , LOL,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">but you MUST continue !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2 You ( or some friend you have) must run BS
Collaborate on his server !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As I told you , my server is on Linux, so I cant
host BSCollaborate,witch is only windows...</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">but I wonder why you dont search a friend to have
your wonderfull tool running 24hx24.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">And anyways a server is not very
expensive...</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I cant understand , as you spend/spent hours on
your nice "hobby" , why you dont care to have it running on web...</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Amicalement</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">alain</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10.0pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:50
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<div>Dear Friends of SrrTrains<br/><br/>The last pre-alpha version of the
SrrTrains project was released with the latest newsletter from
2013-03-02.<br/><br/>Now, in my humble opinion we have three options to
proceed.<br/><br/> A) Finally close the project, honouring all the fun we
had and enjoying the experiences we've had<br/> B) Continue playing
around and improve the experimental software bit by bit<br/> C) Try going
to get serious <br/><br/>I would be glad about feed back, before doing the
decision.<br/><br/>To explain a little bit more, what I mean, I have added a
more detailed description of the three options in the P.S. of this
newsletter.<br/><br/>Have a nice week<br/>Christoph<br/> <br/>P.S. Here is a
short description of the three options<br/><br/>A) Finally close the
project :-)))))<br/> Do the LAN Party #3 on 2013-03-26
and then think about something else<br/> <br/>B) Continue
playing around :-(((((<br/> The project will always be
based on the test version of BS Collaborate<br/> The project
will never reach alpha status<br/> Railway features will be
implemented bit by bit, thus increasing<br/></div>
<div> usability and applicability of the
SRR Framework and of the SRR Tools<br/><br/>C) Try going to get serious
:-|<br/>C.1) Start hibernation of project simulrr.sourceforge.net<br/>C.2) Take
the base module of the SRR Framework (only basic features for
"Simple<br/> Multiuser Online Scenes", no railway
features) from simulrr.sourceforge.net<br/> and start a
new project with it <br/>C.3) The new project shall be called
smuos.sourceforge.net (SMUOS = "Simple<br/> Multiuser
Online Scenes")<br/>C.4) Redesign the "Network Sensor API
Prototypes"<br/> -
SrrControlNs.x3d<br/> -
SrrConsoleDispatcherNs.x3d<br/> -
SrrControlKmNs.x3d<br/> -
SrrObjectBaseNs.x3d<br/> -
SrrObjectBaseAnimNs.x3d<br/> -
SrrSwitchANs.x3d<br/> -
SrrSwitchBNs.x3d<br/> -
SrrKeyContainerNs.x3d<br/> in a way, s o that they do
not use the "EventStreamSensor" (BS Collaborate)<br/>
any more, but now they shall use some Java classes embedded in
"Script"<br/> nodes.<br/> These
Java classes shall process the protocol with a central
server<br/> - in an experimental
way<br/> - in a way that shall be
compatible with XMPP API and with
<br/> EventStreamSensor
node, but it shall extend the
EventStreamSensor<br/> by
additional capabilities<br/> -
finally rendering useful prototypes for what I call "Mature
Network<br/> Sensor
(MNS)"<br/>C.5) optional: if SMUOS is satisfying --> merge SMUOS into
SIMULRR project<br/>C.6) continue simulrr.sourceforge.net (beyond
2017)<br/><br/></div>
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