<div dir="ltr">Yep except because of browser element naming, you would need to say <Dave-SlidingDoor> or <MyPkg-SlidingDoor> i.e. it needs a prefix and a dash. Other than *that* I personally think that the future is, indeed, here.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Dave A <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@realmofconcepts.com" target="_blank">dave@realmofconcepts.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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If we can use Web Components to make something custom, like this,
then the future has finally arrived:<br>
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<SlidingDoor axis='x' opendistance='.9' opensound='open.wav'
closesound='close.wav' activation='bump' /><br>
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Where 'SlidingDoor' is a 'smart object' consisting of some geometry,
sensor(s), audio node(s), and perhaps even some scripts.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>Actually, the entire point of a Web Component is to
make it easy to instantiate custom nodes, for both
programmers and non-programmers. Once a web component is
implemented, the user simply instantiates it with a tag,
just like any other DOM element.<br>
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Creating Web Components is a little harder than PROTOs,
granted, but it's not too much harder. And creating PROTOs
has *never* been easy for a novice/non-programmer. That's
both because PROTOs and the Scripts that implement their
innards have a lot of design quirks, but more so because
of the historical interoperability issues between browser
implementations.<br>
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IMO the PROTO ship sailed long ago. MNy $.02 is that if
X3DOM is going to be relevant, it should stay away from
PROTOs. Nothing but trouble there.<br>
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Vera <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.a.vera@warwick.ac.uk" target="_blank">d.a.vera@warwick.ac.uk</a>></span>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Are there any (even
simple) practical examples on how to use webcomponent
to emulate proto in X3Dom? <br>
<br>
Also, was the purpose of PROTO in VRML to provide a
simple (i.e. VRML-syntax-only and accessible to non
programmer) way to define/instantiate custom nodes?
Having to use something like web component that
requires additional knowledge and programming, etc,
would miss the point in my opinion. Does it make
sense?<br>
<br>
Also, PROTO/EXTERNPROTOS mechanism is (with ECMA
script capabilities, the event model, etc.) the only
thing that differentiate VRML/X3D from "mere" 3D
interchange formats (I am thinking JT, 3DPDF etc,
which are increasingly used in my field of
application). Reducing X3Dom specification by not
implementing PROTO might contribute to mitigate this
differentiator and impact adoption for a certain class
of users? <br>
<br>
Regards, Daniel<br>
<br>
PS: apologies for sending this to multiple mailing
lists. plz let me know which one this should this be
mailed to.<br>
<br>
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<pre>Partially. You can use x3dom components to provide e.g. a node-library but not to declare new node types as part of your content. This is what you can do with prototypes.
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<pre>On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Alan Hudson <a href="mailto:alan@shapeways.com" target="_blank"><alan@shapeways.com></a> wrote:
Not too be a hater but I don't think its a good idea to include PROTO's into X3DOM. The VRML/X3D proto spec + scripting interactions is very hard to get cross platform. I spent many years dealing with it and its just too much work.
Could you elaborate on specifically where the difficulties lie?
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think its a good idea to include PROTO's into
X3DOM. The VRML/X3D proto spec + scripting
interactions is very hard to get cross
platform. I spent many years dealing with it
and its just too much work. Personally I'd
rather see that development time spent elsewhere
improving X3DOM. It's very helpful to be able
to define your own vocabulary but as it stands
PROTO's are not a proven cross platform way to
do it. Maybe the other web native routes will
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<div dir="ltr">Indeed, not having a PROTO node is
a substantial lack of functionality in the x3dom
code base and a loss if compared with standalone
x3d browsers. At the risk of misinterpretation,
to me it looks like there was conscious decision
by the x3dom developers at some early point that
the certainly very substantial cost of
developing such functionality outweigh the
expected benefits. This may have changed by now,
x3dom-developers ?<br>
<div>If not, it follows that there would be a
large demand for guidance in terms of
documentation, tutorials and perhaps tools on
how to convert/translate PROTOs into x3dom
compatible js code or custom x3dom nodes. I
tried to provide some initial pointers but
clearly input by the x3dom group is what is
really required.<br>
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