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Here are the draft minutes from today's X3D Working Group meeting on
the X3D JSON encoding. Please reply to the list if you have anything
to add. We plan on having another meeting in about a month (most
likely April 9 or 16). An announcement will be sent the end of
March/beginning of April.<br>
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<pre style="text-align:center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">X3D Working Group Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre style="text-align:center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Wednesday, 2015-03-11<o:p></o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"">Attendees:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Leonard Daly, John Carlson, Roy Walmsley, Cecile Muller, Dick Puk, Anita Havele, Don Brutzman, Nicholas Polys (late)<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><o:p></o:p></b></span></pre>
<span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Topic:<b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">
Open Discussion on JSON Encoding<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Meeting
started
at 8:06<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span
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</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Introductions
(All)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1;
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Statement
of
current encoding [5 minutes]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">References<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:.85in;text-indent:-.35in;mso-list:l0 level3
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.1.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><a
href="http://www.web3d.org/wiki/index.php/X3D_JSON_Encoding">http://www.web3d.org/wiki/index.php/X3D_JSON_Encoding</a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.1.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
href="http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2015-March/003254.html">http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2015-March/003254.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.1.3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">See
<a
href="http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2015-March/thread.html#start">http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/2015-March/thread.html#start</a>
for all thread messages in March 2015.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Effort
requires lots
of good people working together.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:.55in;text-indent:-.3in;mso-list:l0 level2
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Attempting
to add
another isomorphic encoding (JSON)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.4.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Explicitly
defining
every field or use “inherent” information<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.5.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Douglas
Crockford’s
book was very important to the latest revision<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.5.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
href="http://javascript.crockford.com/">http://javascript.crockford.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.5.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ifWcnQs6M">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ifWcnQs6M</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.5.3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
href="http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-Good-Parts-Douglas-Crockford/dp/0596517742">http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-Good-Parts-Douglas-Crockford/dp/0596517742</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.6.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Comments
are not
allowed within JSON. Need to construct containers (objects) to
hold them to
support isomorphic translation to other encodings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.7.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Array
vs. singleton –
still an open problem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.7.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Currently
load
XML into memory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:.85in;text-indent:-.35in;mso-list:l0 level3
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.7.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Inspect
for
multiple elements at a single level<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.7.3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Open
issue
for memory-limited parsers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Discussion
of
issues relating to (2) [25 minutes]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">John’s
comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Use
X3DOM,
d3.js together<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Able
to
create converter back to X3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Issue
with
handling of default values, specifically defaultColor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.4.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Working
on
bijective transformations on all various encodings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.5.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Need
to
resolve inclusion or exclusion of X3D default values<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:1.2in;text-indent:-.45in;mso-list:l0 level4
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.5.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Convert
to
X3D encoding – probably not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.1.5.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Use
in
non-X3D environment – probably needed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cecile’s
comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.2.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Make
it
like VRML, but in JSON<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.2.2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Customers
prefer
JSON because it is “easier” to work with (probably easier to
read over
XML).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.2.3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Issue
with
PROTOs and scripts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Comments
in X3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Arial"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.3.1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">JSON
does
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