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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2016 3:21 PM, John Carlson
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      Leonard, I think you forget that Extrusion splines etc. can be
      animated.  If Maya can export an Extrusion animation to X3D V4.0
      and your new elements can handle animation of it, I think we are
      fine.</blockquote>
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    In Maya and Blender, extrusions are converted to IndexedFaceSets.
    These can be animated through the usual mechanisms in those
    applications. The results are typically stored in a FBX file.
    Unfortunately, the FBX format is not open and not too conducive to
    importing in a browser. Autodesk provides a C++ and Python API for
    accessing the file.<br>
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    Extrusions are just a convenience node for creating a constrained
    IndexedFaceSet. I am working on exactly how X3D fits in the process
    chain from modeling tools to display. The goal is that X3D is an
    declarative archivable format that has a browser-based run time. The
    goal is to not reduce the display capability of X3D in that chain;
    however, not all of the functionality of X3D V3.3 is necessary to
    remain in the node definitions to make that happen. <br>
    <br>
    Animation of the spline and cross-sections of an extrusion is much
    easier for the developer, but puts a much greater load on the
    run-time as it needs to re-triangulate the result on each animation.<br>
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      <div class="">John<br class="">
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            <div class="">On Jan 26, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Leonard Daly <<a
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              wrote:</div>
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                rgb(255, 255, 255);">I would like to ask the question
                very differently. My question is not to ignore the
                importance of getting the definition correct for X3D
                <= V3.3.<br class="">
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                Most (>95%) 3D modeling is done with a tool. In
                non-CAD environment, the tools is almost certainly Maya
                or Blender. Both of those tools have extrusions built in
                to their interface. I imagine CAD tools are similar.
                With so many tools providing graphical extrusion
                editors, and some of the tools being open-source (at
                least Blender);<br class="">
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                Do we need an extrusion node in V4 to support content
                developed for V4+?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                Leonard Daly<br class="">
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                On 1/26/2016 7:15 AM, Alekseyev, Vsevolod (NIH/NIAID)
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                <div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma;
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                  <div class="">I've tried and failed twice to explain
                    the problems with the definition of the Extrusion
                    node. So here's a tl;dr version:</div>
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                  <div class="">Dear authors of the X3D standard, please
                    take a careful look at the standard and answer me:</div>
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                  <div class="">1) When the spine goes (0,0,0)-(0,-1,0),
                    what is the CSP?</div>
                  <div class="">Note: all answers but one will render
                    one of the reference models in the Savage archive
                    invalid.</div>
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                  <div class="">2) When the spine goes <span
                      style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class="">(0,0,0)-(0,1,0)-(0,0,0),
                      what is the CSP?</span></div>
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                  <div class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"
                      class="">3) When the spine goes (0,0,0)-(1,1,0)-</span><span
                      style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class="">(1,1,0)-</span><span
                      style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class="">(1,1,0)-(2,0,0),
                      what is the CSP for the three middle points?</span></div>
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