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<p>e2 > html keeps changing, debate over which way to do
something in html</p>
<p>d2 > code compilers - somehow a C compiler takes a
standard language and compiles it for different CPUs ARM, x86,
x64. The C language stays the same. Perhaps there can be an
intermediate component - on the server- that takes a standard
format, and 'compiles' it different ways</p>
<p>web3d standard server format -> different server
'compilers' -> different browsers / html standards</p>
<p>In this case web3d would just need to make sure its stuff is
described in a way all server compilers can compile to
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HTML is not compiled (as you know), so there is no way to transform
it based on the immediate browser. The X3D processing s/w could be
standards-version dependent. Mostly it needs to support older
versions of X3D as the underlying environment changes. The biggest
issue is not the changing X3D, but custom coding that is used to run
a particular X3D scene in an HTML page. Since that interfaces with
X3D, but is not part of X3D; it would be difficult to provide a
converter, especially a run-time converter. I think the best way
would be to maintain a backwards-compatible API, or define a portion
of the API that remains backward compatible. The
backwards-compatible API may not be the most efficient at doing
certain operations, but it will continue to work.<br>
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Leonard Daly<br>
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<p>creative strategy example > protos</p>
<p>when it comes to protos, an element of that was
something about Script. If you can't have a Script node
then what's the point of protos. But html does have
scirpts. Am I right to break that down into:</p>
<p>e1 scripts can't be run-time instanced ie if you have
one copy of a script, you can't make another copy at
runtime with the same name</p>
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<p>other domains > adware</p>
<p>I see lots of advertisements popping up in webpages. I
suspect they have their own scripts and content. Is it
possible to instance 2 ads of the same type on the same
page? If so, how do they do it, without confusing the
scripts?</p>
<p>so an adware solution to the script part of proto would
be an element solution from another domain.</p>
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<p>You would write that into the table and keep going.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">> Solutions to issues
will be found. They may start as ideas
contributed by individuals. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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excellent activity. But they will arise more
easily with greater understanding.</span><br>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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"Creative Strategy" with 3 steps:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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problem 'elements')</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">2. search (in other
domains/fields/areas-of-practice/toolsets for
solution to an element)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">3. combine (some selection
of solutions to elements from other domains,
into a total solution)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">Think of a matrix with
problem elements down the side, and
domains/sources of solutions across the top:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">______d1________d2______d3__________d4</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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<p><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#212121"><span
style="font-size:14.6667px">e3</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#212121"><span
style="font-size:14.6667px">e4</span></font></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">then fill in the table by
searching.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
font-size:14.6667px">The creative part comes in
the recombining element solutions at the end.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
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doing a pretty good job of breaking it into
elements. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
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font-size:14.6667px"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cup.columbia.edu/book/creative-strategy/9780231160520"
class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk577422">http://cup.columbia.edu/book/creative-strategy/9780231160520</a><br>
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://sites.google.com/site/airdrieinnovationinstitute/creative-strategy"
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title="https://sites.google.com/site/airdrieinnovationinstitute/creative-strategyCtrl+Click
or tap to follow the link"
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font-size:14.6667px">https://sites.google.com/site/airdrieinnovationinstitute/creative-strategy</a><span
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
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font-size:14.6667px">I apologize as a non-member
for not being more active in v4. Not an html or
js guru. I could perhaps search other domains
for element solutions.</span></p>
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<font size="+1"><b>Leonard Daly</b></font><br>
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