<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Some additional notes:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Leonard Daly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Leonard.Daly@realism.com" target="_blank">Leonard.Daly@realism.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="m_8802136735246639037m_683483958873890993m_-5108999977469179426moz-cite-prefix">Andreas,<br>
      <br>
      This is very interesting. Cobweb's Script node has access to HTML
      functions. In this case the calculation of the Y position is done
      in HTML script code, while passing values is done in X3D Script
      code. Since JavaScript interprets anything of the form label(...)
      as a function with the name 'label', handles line 69 ("<span>value_changed.y
        = changeY(value_changed.y, time - time0, time);//time is in
        seconds") just fine.<br></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As long as 'label' is the name of a reachable function, label() will call this function. In this case changeY is reachable because it is a global function.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_8802136735246639037m_683483958873890993m_-5108999977469179426moz-cite-prefix"><span>
        This method appears to create a subset of the JavaScript
        environment where the functions all take two arguments
        (event-data, event-time) and return one or more values
        ('value-changed' in this example). </span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The method is a regular x3d script event function. value_changed is a user defined output field which is then routed to a transform's translation field.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Andreas</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_8802136735246639037m_683483958873890993m_-5108999977469179426moz-cite-prefix"><span><br>
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        <div>And here is a version which mixes x3d and html scripting:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a href="https://x3d-v4-mixed-scripting.glitch.me/" target="_blank">https://x3d-v4-mixed-scripting<wbr>.glitch.me/</a><br>
        </div>
        <div>forkable source:</div>
        <a href="https://glitch.com/edit/#%21/x3d-v4-mixed-scripting?path=index.html:69:4" target="_blank">https://glitch.com/edit/#!/x3d<wbr>-v4-mixed-scripting?path=index<wbr>.html:69:4</a><br>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The idea to use a redefinable global function in a x3d
          field function worked fine.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Above now uses regular x3d animation via timesensor and
          routes. The x3d script acts as an interpolator accepting
          set_fraction input. It does end up not using the fraction
          since the original animation was defined in terms of clock
          time. So the script also uses timestamps and the original
          changeY and linearX global html script functions. The
          redefinition of changeY via button names is unchanged.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>It would be nicer to define the interpolators in terms of a
          fraction but that is secondary.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The x3dom approach would be to use its onOutputChange
          event:</div>
        <div> <a href="https://doc.x3dom.org/tutorials/animationInteraction/onoutputchange/index.html" target="_blank">https://doc.x3dom.org/tutoria<wbr>ls/animationInteraction/onoutp<wbr>utchange/index.html</a></div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>for defining a custom interpolator.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>-Andreas</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 10:40 AM,
            Andreas Plesch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com" target="_blank">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Hi Leonard,
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>here is a version of the example which uses cobweb
                  with cobweb-dom for DOM API use.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><a href="https://x3d-v4-scripting-cobweb.glitch.me/" target="_blank">https://x3d-v4-scripting-cobwe<wbr>b.glitch.me/</a><br>
                </div>
                <div>and</div>
                <div><a href="https://glitch.com/edit/#%21/x3d-v4-scripting-cobweb?path=index.html:63:1" target="_blank">https://glitch.com/edit/#!/x3d<wbr>-v4-scripting-cobweb?path=inde<wbr>x.html:63:1</a><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The necessary changes were minor:</div>
                <div>- The display area div needed to be replaced with a
                  x3d canvas</div>
                <div>- The ball div needed to become a sphere shape
                  transform</div>
                <div>- The ball position is set via the translation
                  attribute rather than position style properties.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The viewpoint is at a distance such that 1px in the
                  original div rectangle corresponds to about 1m in the
                  x3d scene when viewed from the viewpoint.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Otherwise no changes are needed since full control
                  via the DOM API is possible.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I also found that I need to update cobweb-dom to
                  work with the latest cobweb since there were some
                  changes in the cobweb parser. The current cobweb-dom
                  only works with cobweb < 3.0.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I suppose the next question is if one can use x3d
                  scripts instead of the html scripts or somehow mix and
                  match. What functionality should be provided in an x3d
                  script ? The tricky thing to try maybe to do the
                  animation inside x3d but replace the x3d interpolator
                  with a custom interpolator from an html script ? Maybe
                  I can think of something.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>-Andreas</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 1:13
                  AM, Andreas Plesch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com" target="_blank">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">
                      <div>I went back to the cobweb repo to very
                        carefully read through the rather mind bending
                        script node code in </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><a href="https://github.com/create3000/cobweb/blob/master/cobweb.js/cobweb/Components/Scripting/Script.js" target="_blank">https://github.com/create3000/<wbr>cobweb/blob/master/cobweb.js/c<wbr>obweb/Components/Scripting/Scr<wbr>ipt.js</a></div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">and came to the conclusion that
                        the x3d scripts are only evaled once during
                        initialization, contrary to what I had thought.
                        The script text is cleverly appended with an
                        array of all defined named functions which then
                        becomes the return value of the eval call. These
                        functions are then stored in a local scope
                        this.context object, essentially as methods.
                        Then, whenever a lifecycle function or a field
                        function needs to be executed, the context
                        method is called.</div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">One could probably expose this
                        context object and then redefine its methods
                        from Dom scripts. However, one would lose the
                        cobweb constructed "with" "global" object which
                        allows easy and standard access to x3d functions
                        and user defined fields. It could be probably
                        reconstructed if needed.</div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">I may try to convert the example
                        to cobweb dom.</div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">Andreas</div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">-The formatting survived the
                        direct mail but not the route through the list
                        probably because I receive digests.</div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 11, 2017 9:03
                            PM, "Leonard Daly" <<a href="mailto:Leonard.Daly@realism.com" target="_blank">Leonard.Daly@realism.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br type="attribution">
                            <blockquote class="m_8802136735246639037m_683483958873890993m_-5108999977469179426gmail-m_3040691064007112017m_4854531439596135322m_-7705566929662997561quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                <div class="m_8802136735246639037m_683483958873890993m_-5108999977469179426gmail-m_3040691064007112017m_4854531439596135322m_-7705566929662997561m_-2111562572881299261moz-cite-prefix">I
                                  was asked by John to construct an
                                  example illustrating the items listed
                                  below. I also have replies to Andreas'
                                  comments. The original message is at
                                  the bottom (for reference). I've
                                  copied the relevant
                                  questions/statements to the top to
                                  make reading easier.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  First to the example. It is located at
                                  <a class="m_8802136735246639037m_683483958873890993m_-5108999977469179426gmail-m_3040691064007112017m_4854531439596135322m_-7705566929662997561m_-2111562572881299261moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tools.realism.com/development/WG-Support/2017-08-09/ScriptIllustration.html" target="_blank">http://tools.realism.com/devel<wbr>opment/WG-Support/2017-08-09/S<wbr>criptIllustration.html</a><br>
                                  It does not use Cobweb since I can't
                                  begin to figure out how to do this in
                                  Cobweb. OTOH, if X3D is DOM
                                  integrated, then the it shouldn't
                                  matter where various functions and
                                  methods are located.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  The example is strictly 2D, but I
                                  think it clearly illustrates the goal.
                                  The default Y interpolator is nothing
                                  (no change). Selecting different
                                  buttons change the interpolator in
                                  real-time. Each interpolator is
                                  defined as a function. The variable
                                  'changeY' holds the current
                                  interpolator. When a button is
                                  pressed, the value of 'changeY' is set
                                  to the selected interpolator. There is
                                  no 'case' statement the uses the
                                  correct interpolator on each pass
                                  through the animation loop.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  John if this doesn't illustrate the
                                  concept, please explain what you need
                                  to see.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Andreas, you have done and continue to
                                  do a lot in support of web 3D,
                                  especially wrt to X3DOM. I continue to
                                  be impressed with your solutions to
                                  problems presented to that list. [I'll
                                  have one soon, with a potential
                                  solution.]<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div><font color="#3333ff">AP: Mixing
                                      DOM and x3d scripts is inherently
                                      problematic since x3d scripts
                                      expect their own environment
                                      (scope). But let's see.</font></div>
                                  <div><font color="#3333ff"> </font></div>
                                  <font color="#3333ff">AP: Not sure if
                                    x3d scripts should be available
                                    globally, eg. as window.foo which
                                    means foo is global. This would mean
                                    that any other script or framework
                                    needs to be careful not to use the
                                    same function names.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    AP: window.x3d should be nicer, as a
                                    dedicated namespace. x3dom uses the
                                    x3dom namespace.</font><br>
                                  <br>
                                  If X3D and HTML are fully integrated
                                  then they will be mixed. It is now
                                  common practice to put library methods
                                  into their own namescope. This
                                  namescope is not limited, but is
                                  prefixed by a known library label
                                  (e.g., x3dom, THREE, etc.). Mandating
                                  that X3D in HTML use the 'x3d'
                                  namescope would cause problems if
                                  someone wanted to run two different
                                  libraries from the same HTML context.
                                  iframe can fix that, but it seems
                                  overly restrictive.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                    <font color="#009900">function
                                      bar(event, time) {<br>
                                           window.foo = bar;           
                                      // I would (perhaps) settle for
                                      window.x3d.foo = bar;<br>
                                      }<br>
                                    </font><br>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <font color="#3333ff">AP: This
                                    currently does not work since cobweb
                                    goes back to the original function
                                    source each time the script is run.
                                    But the x3d script could probably
                                    use internally a global HTML script
                                    function which can be redefined at
                                    will, to enable a hook into an x3d
                                    script.</font><br>
                                  <br>
                                  [<font color="#009900">1]    <br>
                                  </font>
                                  <blockquote><font color="#009900"><Script
                                      ...>    <!-- X3D Script node
                                      --><br>
                                           function foo (event, time) {<br>
                                               window.bar = foo;<br>
                                           }<br>
                                      </script></font><br>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <br>
                                  <font color="#3333ff">AP: This
                                    probably already works since cobweb
                                    evals the function text almost as
                                    is.</font>
                                  <div><font color="#3333ff"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <div><font color="#3333ff">Is this the
                                      same as</font></div>
                                  <div><br>
                                    <font color="#009900">[2]<br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <blockquote>
                                    <div><font color="#009900">var foo =
                                        function (event, time)
                                        {do_work;};</font></div>
                                    <div><font color="#009900">window.bar
                                        = foo;</font></div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div><font color="#3333ff"> ?</font></div>
                                  <br>
                                  It seems to me that eval the script
                                  text each time, especially in an
                                  animation loop, is needlessly
                                  expensive. <br>
                                  The two examples (indented if that
                                  works in your mail reader) are not the
                                  same. The first example sets
                                  window.bar to be 'foo' each time it
                                  runs. The second example only sets
                                  window.bar to be 'foo' after the
                                  definition is processed. If there is
                                  something else setting window.bar
                                  after the 'foo' function definition is
                                  processed, then that definition to
                                  'foo' is never used.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <font color="#3333ff">AP: What does
                                    the SAI say about manipulating or
                                    calling x3d script functions from
                                    the outside ? You may only be able
                                    to remove and add complete script
                                    nodes but not work with the script
                                    functions ?</font>
                                  <div><font color="#3333ff"><br>
                                    </font></div>
                                  <font color="#3333ff">AP: Proposed
                                    text would be great. For now, it may
                                    be productive to settle for slightly
                                    less integration by keeping x3d
                                    scripts pretty much internal to the
                                    x3d context but allow x3d scene
                                    control via the DOM, eg. make x3d
                                    nodes similar to svg/html elements.</font><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  This is my main point. DOM is an API.
                                  If X3D chooses to define an API in
                                  HTML, then it must be done so as not
                                  to interfere with the DOM API.
                                  Developers will use the DOM API to do
                                  things anyway. X3D should only expand
                                  on that, not restrict that. Anything
                                  less would not be full integration.
                                  There is no such thing as an SVG
                                  Script tag. It is located in the same
                                  space all all HTML scripts.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Leonard Daly<br>
                                  <br>
                                  P.S. I hope all of the formatting and
                                  styling worked.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  On 8/11/2017 7:33 AM, Andreas Plesch
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Date:
                                          Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:31:25
                                          -0700<br>
                                          From: Leonard Daly <<a href="mailto:Leonard.Daly@realism.com" target="_blank">Leonard.Daly@realism.com</a>><br>
                                          To: John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>,
                                          X3D Graphics public mailing<br>
                                                  list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>,
                                          Web3D Consortium <<a href="mailto:consortium@web3d.org" target="_blank">consortium@web3d.org</a>><br>
                                          Cc: X3D Graphics Working Group
                                          <<a href="mailto:x3d@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d@web3d.org</a>><br>
                                          Subject: Re: [x3d-public]
                                          [x3d] X3D Specification
                                          Relationships<br>
                                                  diagram<br>
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                                        <div>Leonard, thanks for raising
                                          this, and I appreciate your
                                          attempt to rally broader
                                          support around v4 and web
                                          compatibility. I continue to
                                          do what I can which is not too
                                          much these days.</div>
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                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          On 8/10/2017 5:17 PM, John
                                          Carlson wrote:<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Leonard wrote:<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > >and node name
                                          collisions (i.e., Script).<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > There has been quite a
                                          bit of progress with this and
                                          X3DJSONLD and<br>
                                          > X3DOM. It?s been under
                                          the covers because I have not
                                          advertised it<br>
                                          > much. I have several
                                          scripts running, but not the
                                          full complement of<br>
                                          > my examples.  It does not
                                          run the X3D event model yet,
                                          except for<br>
                                          > initialize().<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Cobweb of course, already
                                          handles this, so quit
                                          bellyaching.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Cobweb even with Andreas' DOM
                                          interface extensions does not
                                          integrate<br>
                                          with the DOM regarding
                                          Scripts. A full integration
                                          would allow the<br>
                                          following:<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Mixing DOM and x3d scripts
                                          is inherently problematic
                                          since x3d scripts expect their
                                          own environment (scope). But
                                          let's see.</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          X3D Script function called
                                          'foo'<br>
                                          HTML script function called
                                          'bar'<br>
                                          <br>
                                          In the body of bar, I should
                                          be able to redefine 'foo'. It
                                          is (in a<br>
                                          fully integrated system)
                                          available as window.foo.
                                          Similarly for inside<br>
                                          of 'foo' to change 'bar'.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Not sure if x3d scripts
                                          should be available globally,
                                          eg. as window.foo which means
                                          foo is global. This would mean
                                          that any other script or
                                          framework needs to be careful
                                          not to use the same function
                                          names.</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          function bar(event, time) {<br>
                                               window.foo = bar;       
                                              // I would (perhaps)
                                          settle for<br>
                                          window.x3d.foo = bar;<br>
                                          }<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>window.x3d should be nicer,
                                          as a dedicated namespace.
                                          x3dom uses the x3dom
                                          namespace.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>This currently does not
                                          work since cobweb goes back to
                                          the original function source
                                          each time the script is run.
                                          But the x3d script could
                                          probably use internally a
                                          global HTML script function
                                          which can be redefined at
                                          will, to enable a hook into an
                                          x3d script.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          and<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <Script ...>    <!--
                                          X3D Script node --><br>
                                               function foo (event,
                                          time) {<br>
                                                   window.bar = foo;<br>
                                               }<br>
                                          </script><br>
                                          <br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>This probably already works
                                          since cobweb evals the
                                          function text almost as is.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Is this the same as</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>var foo = function (event,
                                          time) {do_work;};</div>
                                        <div>window.bar = foo;</div>
                                        <div> ?</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          I should be able to construct
                                          an object with 'foo' as a
                                          method. E.g.,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          var globalVar = {};<br>
                                          globalVar.x3d = foo;<br>
                                          <br>
                                          // should call the X3D script
                                          passing it a reference to the
                                          current<br>
                                          value of 'event' and 'time'.<br>
                                          globalVar.x3d(event, time);<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>It may be possible to
                                          'export' named x3d script
                                          functions to window.x3d, so
                                          they can be called. cobweb
                                          would currently redefine a
                                          named function each time an
                                          x3d script is executed.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          <br>
                                          Inside 'foo' I should be able
                                          to access any DOM element to
                                          get it's<br>
                                          current state or even
                                          establish an event listener.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>You should be able to do
                                          that in cobweb now although it
                                          would be strange to find DOM
                                          code in an X3D script. Perhaps
                                          for HUD of GUI purposes it
                                          could be useful, actually.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
                                          I know there are some things
                                          that Cobweb can do, but there
                                          has been no<br>
                                          discussions in the WG for the
                                          language that would be
                                          necessary to ensure<br>
                                          HTML/DOM/X3D interaction like
                                          I described above.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>What does the SAI say about
                                          manipulating or calling x3d
                                          script functions from the
                                          outside ? You may only be able
                                          to remove and add complete
                                          script nodes but not work with
                                          the script functions ?</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          <br>
                                          Unrolling scripts on the
                                          server (or at least not in the
                                          runtime of the<br>
                                          browser) is all fine and good,
                                          but again there has been no
                                          discussion in<br>
                                          the WG as to how to even
                                          approach writing that up.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I will be happy to be
                                          (relatively) quiet on these
                                          points if someone can<br>
                                          show me working examples and
                                          proposed text to make this
                                          work.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Proposed text would be
                                          great. For now, it may be
                                          productive to settle for
                                          slightly less integration by
                                          keeping x3d scripts pretty
                                          much internal to the x3d
                                          context but allow x3d scene
                                          control via the DOM, eg. make
                                          x3d nodes similar to svg/html
                                          elements.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>-Andreas</div>
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                                          --<br>
                                          *Leonard Daly*<br>
                                          3D Systems & Cloud
                                          Consultant<br>
                                          LA ACM SIGGRAPH Chair<br>
                                          President, Daly Realism -
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                                              Consultant<br>
                                              LA ACM SIGGRAPH Chair<br>
                                              President, Daly Realism -
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            39 Barbara Rd.<br>
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        LA ACM SIGGRAPH Chair<br>
        President, Daly Realism - <i>Creating the Future</i>
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