<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:00 PM Leonard Daly <<a href="mailto:Leonard.Daly@realism.com">Leonard.Daly@realism.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may want to resubmit your 3TM and
Planet changes to Mantis. I searched for 3TM and Planet in
Mantis (All Projects) and got nothing significant back.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, I was denied access to:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.web3d.org/node/1694/submission/1671" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.web3d.org/node/1694/submission/1671</a></p>
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This is the Web3D Specification comment form. 1671 is the submission
ID. Only a few people (Anita, myself) have access to the spec
comment submissions. All submissions are emailed to the X3D WG list
and appear there.<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I didn't expect to gain access. Is there an archive of the X3D wg list if I deleted my email?</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and there’s:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1215" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1215</a></p>
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For reference this issue is titled as "25.2.3 Specifying a spatial
reference frame - Inaccurate UTM example" and is listed as public.<br>
</div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, seems unrelated. I might have seen Doug's previous post to the mailing list, but I'm not sure. Nothing came through email recently if he resubmitted it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not that I want to imagine writing schema
for such a thing…that’s why I hope to get geoSystem into more
reasonable shape in the Unified Object Model (we need
volunteers, I think) before trying to do it in schema.</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">X3D Graphics public mailing list</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values
in X3D Resources BasicGeospatial examples.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think N should be OK, just as you say a
redundant default.. I proposed several new things in the
geoSystem field, submitted to spec comments a few months
ago, so I hope your processor works on the new things if
ever adopted.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">R,A,B,F,IF - ways to drectly specifiy
the shape of the ellipsoid so other planet shapes and
sizes could be modeled</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3TM - similar to UTM (except 3degree
zones, no false northing or easting, different central
meridian scale factor .9999)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also proposed a Planet node - allows
multiple planets in one scene</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:14 AM, John
Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The object model is expressive
enough to list conforming values, yet accept others,
but as far as I know (I may be wrong here), it is not
expressive enough to express supported geoSystem
values. This is a problem. How do we resolve it,
and should we, if we are accepting other values? Is
it resolved in X3DJSAIL? Should I get rid of Roy's
JSON subschema for geoSystem?<span class="m_-8175868158884289626hoenzb"><span style="color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:43 AM
John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the purpose of
schema is to support minimally acceptable
files. It should flag files which are
questionable. If a file can be brought into
conformance easily, shouldn't it be?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, you should be able
to ignore the results of the schema
validation...at your own risk.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What is the purpose of
the X3D resources examples, but to show a
good example practice? Or are we testing
tools to make sure certain values are
acceptable? If that's the case, then the
schema should be updated for ALL versions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 13, 2018,
7:31 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then the version of
the document should be upgraded to 4.0
or above, and the corresponding schema
updated. I can upgrade the schema for
all versions, since it is hard coded
into the schema generator. But really
we need support from the object model if
possible. Right now, I have to
explicitly allow it for all versions,
since I use stdin/stdout instead of
files. Does the unified object model
specify a version # in its contents?
When the unified object model supports
"N" in a usable fashion, then I can code
something into the schema, or delete the
requirement to check geoSystem.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, away from
computer presently, or I would check.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't see why Roy
went to all the effort to create a
schema, if we are going to ignore it?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This applies in many
areas...if we merely have supported
values, yet others must be accepted, why
is there a standard?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't believe it's
ambiguous in this case of X3D. A
missing "N" means Northern Hemisphere.</p>
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2018, 12:46 AM Andreas Plesch <<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">lists the
supported strings for the
geoSystem MFString field.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The prose
choosing 'supported' over
'legal' or 'conforming' could be
taken to mean that other than
listed strings may be allowed to
be supported as well by some
browsers.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However,
previous discussions indicate
that schemas are not
sufficiently expressive to
describe unknown but conforming
string values.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One
resolution was to explicitly
allow 'N' in upcoming X3D
version, and perhaps silently
allow it for 3.3.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Outside of
X3D UTM zones often have the N
hemisphere identifier to avoid
ambiguity.</p>
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From: John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Don Brutzman <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>,
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Invalid geoSystem values in
X3D Resources Basic<br>
Geospatial examples.<br>
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Don, These files contain "N"
in geoSystem, which I
believe is not valid, and
should be removed (default
is Northern Hemisphere, in
the standard, I believe. "S"
can be specified?not in this
case).<br>
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Is there a tool which hasn?t
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