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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi –<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please review the Enhanced Geospatial Component specification attached. This supports, and conforms to, ISO/IEC 18026—Spatial Reference Model, the ISO/IEC standard for specifying and implementing spatial reference frames including coordinates.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For further information, see ISO/IEC 18026 available at:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <a href="http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c054166_ISO_IEC_18026_2009.zip">http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c054166_ISO_IEC_18026_2009.zip</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please let me know if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:22.5pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>n<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>/******************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| Richard F. Puk, Ph.D., President<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| Intelligraphics Incorporated<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| 7644 Cortina Court<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| Carlsbad, CA 92009-8206<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| Tel: +1-760-753-9027 Mobile: +1-760-809-9027<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| Email: <a href="mailto:puk@igraphics.com"><span style='color:blue'>puk@igraphics.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>\****************************************** <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> x3d-public [mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>GPU Group<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values in X3DResourcesBasicGeospatial examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>'coherent combinations'<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>That's what I would call the tactics I used to extend geoSystem for extra planets and mapping planes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What I like: easy for different browsers to add/extend -ie oil or proj4 or other planets (like I did) or add the 6DOF ellipsoid offsets (2 ellipsoids representing the same planet may be shifted/tilted wrt each other) (nutation aka axis wobble should probably be done at the planet level)- without having to develop new nodetypes and get them approved by web3d committees. (I keep saying I should join some day to help but seem to be perpetually drowning in to-do lists here).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For example to size the ellipsoid you would need one and only one of the following combinations:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>R<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A,B<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A,F<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A,IF<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>WGS84<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>each combination would be coherent. If you did F and IF (inverse flattening) that doesn't make sense.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But if there's a blossoming of this approach, we may run out of alphabet letters. Then maybe there should be key,value MFString or some other tactic to synchronize with good practices elsewhere in web3d. Maybe we should try oil and proj4 and 6dof offsets and see if we have enough letters.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And how to check a scene file for geosystem coherence? Especially if there are per-browser extensions? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe just the browser internally which has to check anyway.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But how does a browser signal if a combination is incoherent? A console message perhaps.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-Doug<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:40 AM, John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don’t see as Northern Hemisphere specified with “N” is supported by this extended geospatial component, so we still need to change the files which use “N”. Can someone give me a list of Petroleum Institute codes (it’s not present in the component—not sure, can’t find petro), and some examples of how to use it in geosystem, and I will try to update the hand generated geoSystem schema. I think ultimately, however we want this autogenerated, which will likely need X3DUOM support. Perhaps we can come up with a regular expression for geoSystem?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Which reminds me that I need to incorporate regular expressions in the schema.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">John Carlson</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:27 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:puk@igraphics.com" target="_blank">Richard F. Puk</a>; <a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">'GPU Group'</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">'X3D Graphics public mailing list'</a>; <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">Don Brutzman</a><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values in X3DResourcesBasicGeospatial examples.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Can we see how this would fit into XML Schema and X3DUOM so I get a feeling about how to support it in X3D JSON schema? Thanks! Maybe produce an X3DUOM for this component? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:puk@igraphics.com" target="_blank">Richard F. Puk</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 14, 2018 12:59 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">'GPU Group'</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">'X3D Graphics public mailing list'</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values in X3D ResourcesBasicGeospatial examples.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi –</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Please review the “extended geospatial component” specification which supports all of the items suggested plus many others. It is intended to add full support for ISO/IEC 18026—Spatial Reference Model. It does so in a fully upwards compatible form. The only change that I would make would be to add support for the Petroleum Institute codes which are used by many. The proposed replacement geospatial component is attached. Unzip to empty folder.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>Dick<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>/******************************************</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>| Richard F. Puk, Ph.D., President</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>| Intelligraphics Incorporated</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>| <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=7644+Cortina+Court+%7C+Carlsbad,+CA+92009&entry=gmail&source=g">7644 Cortina Court</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=7644+Cortina+Court+%7C+Carlsbad,+CA+92009&entry=gmail&source=g">| Carlsbad, CA</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=7644+Cortina+Court+%7C+Carlsbad,+CA+92009&entry=gmail&source=g">92009</a>-8206</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>| Tel: +1-760-753-9027 Mobile: +1-760-809-9027</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>| Email: <a href="mailto:puk@igraphics.com" target="_blank">puk@igraphics.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>\****************************************** </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_8736309070719060378__MailEndCompose"></a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> x3d-public [mailto:<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>GPU Group<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values in X3D Resources BasicGeospatial examples.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John, thanks for checking.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hypothesis: Maybe I forgot to check the [x] public checkbox when making a spec comment? I meant for it to be public, And I hope the recommendations are adopted in some future version of the specs, and implemented by browser developers.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'll make it public here and do another submission.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Doug<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here's what I submitted Mar 26, 2018<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>==============================================================</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>GeoSpatial Component Comments Mar 2018</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Acronyms:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>GL - GeoLocation</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>GVP - GeoViewpoint</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>GEG - GeoElevationGrid</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>GPS - GeoProximitySensor</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>GP - GeoPlanet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>XTM - UTM or 3TM</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>3TM - like UTM, except 3 degree zones, .9999 scale factor and no false northing / false easting</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>user coords - coords matching geosystem, authored in scene file, could be GC, XTM, GD</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>TCS/LGS - Topocentric Coordinate System aka Local Geodetic System, as described in specs for GeoLocation:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>-- tangent to ellipsoid at a given geo location, -Z north, Y up</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>LCS - Local Coordinate System - as described in specs for numerical precision</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>-- shared cartesian coordinate system used internally</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>A. Proposed nodetype: GeoPlanet </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Implicit in the web3d geospatial specs: all geoNodes are on the same planet.: earth That should cover 99.99999% of uses. And even if you have 2 planets, the transform stack will keep them separate for most use cases. The exception being node-node interactions such as GVP-GEG, GL-GEG, and GPS-GEG as I'll explain later for the relativeHeight feature.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>x3d usage:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'><GeoPlanet planetId='#'></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> ... geonodes for planet...</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'></GeoPlanet></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>where</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>planetId - an Int32 field that can be used to discriminate between planets, could also be called planetName or planet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>example scenefile:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/tests/geo/World/earthriseGP.x3d" target="_blank"><span style='background:white'>http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/tests/geo/World/earthriseGP.x3d</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/temp/freeWRL2018_GeoPlanet.mp4" target="_blank">http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/temp/freeWRL2018_GeoPlanet.mp4</a><span style='color:#212121'><br>feature details:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>1. similar to GeoTransform (GT) it wraps geonodes, but instead of converting to TCS/LGS it converts to GC</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'>- allows orbital mechanics on multiple planets using planet centers and Z as rotation axis</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>- same job could in theory be done by modifying the specs for GeoTransform, to allow converting to GC instead of TCS/LGS, and a field for planetId, but adds a connundrum: 2 geoTransforms for the same planet could sport different translation, rotation etc, which doesn't make sense.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121'><br>2.<span style='background:white'> for node-node interactions such as GVP-GEG and GL-GEG helps keep the planets separate </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>- internally planetId is pushed and popped during scenegraph traversal, so when visiting a the code can tell which planet it's working on</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>a) for GVP-GEG: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>-- when visiting GVP to start the modelview matrix, store the planetId in the GVP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>-- when visiting GEG, check the current planetId (applies to GEG) against the GVP._planetId, use if same</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>b) for GL-GEG:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>-- after loading scene/inline/externProto body, on first traveral add each GEG to a per-planet list of GEGs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>-- when visiting a GL with relativeHeight TRUE, look through the current planet's list of GEGs, and get the highest terrain height, if any GEGs covering that location. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121;background:white'>GeoPlanet : X3DGroupingNode {</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'> SFInt32 [] planetId 0 [0,∞)</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFNode [in,out] metadata NULL [X3DMetadataObject]</span><br><span style='background:white'> MFNode [in] addChildren [X3DChildNode]</span><br><span style='background:white'> MFNode [in] removeChildren [X3DChildNode]</span><br><span style='background:white'> MFNode [in,out] children [] [X3DChildNode]</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFVec3f [] bboxCenter 0 0 0 (-∞,∞)</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFVec3f [] bboxSize -1 -1 -1 [0,∞) or −1 −1 −1</span><br><span style='background:white'>}</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>B. Proposed nodetype: GeoConvert</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Web3d specs allow a different geoSystem on each geo node. And each as fields in user/geoSystem coordinates that can be routed to/from. But no way to convert between geoSystems.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Proposed GeoConvert node</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>- allows you to convert between GeoSystems via routing and 2 GeoConvert nodes</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'>myGeoNode1 -> set_geoCoord (geoConvert1) gcCoord_changed -> set_gcCoord (geoConvert2) geoCoord_changed -> myGeoNode2</span><br><span style='background:white'>where geoConvert1.geoSystem == myGeoNode1.geoSystem</span><br><span style='background:white'>and geoConvert2.geoSystem == myGeoNode2.geoSystem</span><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/tests/geo/World/World33geoConvert.x3d" target="_blank"><span style='background:white'>http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/tests/geo/World/World33geoConvert.x3d</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'>GeoConvert : X3DNode {</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFVec3d [in] set_geoCoords</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFVec3d [in] set_gcCoords</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFNode [in,out] metadata NULL [X3DMetadataObject]</span><br><span style='background:white'> MFString [] geoSystem ["GD","WE"] [see 25.2.3]</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFVec3d [out] geoCoords_changed</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFVec3d [out] gcCoords_changed</span><br><span style='background:white'>}</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>C. Proposed field for GVP, GL and GPS: .relativeHeight</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Sometimes you don't know the exact height of something above the ellipsoid, but you know you want it at ground level, and you have a GEG in the scene covering the area. It would be convenient to put 0 for the geoCoords/center height, if they are GD or XTM user coords (not GC), and have the browser adjust the height to terrain level.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>For GL and GPS if relativeHeight = TRUE, then on each frame when visiting the node, check the list of GEGs registered for the current GeoPlanet, and add the highest of those (if any) to the .geoCoords / .center height if in GD or XTM, to convert from user to internal GC, and subtract if going from GC back to user.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>For GVP, the behaviour is similar, but only for initial positioning, because browser-supported navigation modes likely want to adjust the relative height:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>- WALK + Collide: maintain relative height to terrain, by climbing/falling while navigating on GEG</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>- FLY + Collide: maintain height relative to ellipsoid</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>- FLY (no collide aka FREEFLY): allow height to be adjusted</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Example scene (GVP and GL):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/temp/freeWRL2018_relativeHeights.mp4" target="_blank">http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/temp/freeWRL2018_relativeHeights.mp4</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/tests/geo/World/World33GLrelativeHeight.x3d" target="_blank">http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/tests/geo/World/World33GLrelativeHeight.x3d</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Field descriptions:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121;background:white'>GeoLocation : X3DGroupingNode {</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'>.. as per specs ..</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFBool [] relativeHeight FALSE </span><br><span style='background:white'>}</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'>GeoViewpoint : X3DViewpointNode {</span><br><span style='background:white'>.. as per specs ..</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFBool [] relativeHeight FALSE </span><br><span style='background:white'>}</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#212121'><br><span style='background:white'>GeoProximitySensor : X3DEnvironmentalSensorNode {</span><br><span style='background:white'>.. as per specs ..</span><br><span style='background:white'> SFBool [] relativeHeight FALSE </span><br><span style='background:white'>}</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>D. Proposed geoSystem additions</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'><a href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/geodata.html#Spatialreferenceframes" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/geodata.html#Spatialreferenceframes</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>D1. A, IF, F, R</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>An assumption of the specs: all geoNodes are for one planet: earth, and the list of allowed ellipsoids are for earth. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Online samples include a Mars scene, and it uses default earth ellipsoid:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'><a href="http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/#Geospatial" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/#Geospatial</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>Here are some additions to geoSystem to allow users to specify the ellipsoid parameters:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'># - a number like a </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>6378137 or 298.257223563</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>"A#" - semimajor axis</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> "IF#" - inverse flattening</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>"F#" - flattening</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>"R" - radius</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>coherent combinations include:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>A and F</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>A and IF</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>R</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>D2. 3TM</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>3TM is like UTM, except with (built-in) central meridan scale factor .9999 (instead of .9997 for UTM) and no false easting or false northing (so coordinates can be negative). Typically used for cities, and GIS packages export 3TM often without mentioning the zone or central meridian. In that case you can set Z0. Otherwise its generally 2x the UTM zone or 2x- 1.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>coherent combinations include</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>3TM</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>3TM and Z</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>along with other UTM-compatible options except no FalseEasting or FalseNorthing.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>================================================================</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#212121;background:white'>and April 9, 2018 addendum:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>======================================</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>(refering to a previous spec submission from the same commentor which included new nodetype GeoPlanet)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>GeoPlanet - there's a preference among freewrl users that instead of numerical planetId='#' it would be an SFString ie planet='earth', which would be easier for scene authors to keep straight in their own minds.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>SFString planet "earth"</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>========================================</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 10:58 AM, John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You may want to resubmit your 3TM and Planet changes to Mantis. I searched for 3TM and Planet in Mantis (All Projects) and got nothing significant back.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>However, I was denied access to:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.web3d.org/node/1694/submission/1671" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/node/1694/submission/1671</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Why?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>and there’s:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1215" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1215</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Not that I want to imagine writing schema for such a thing…that’s why I hope to get geoSystem into more reasonable shape in the Unified Object Model (we need volunteers, I think) before trying to do it in schema.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">GPU Group</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:16 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">X3D Graphics public mailing list</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values in X3D Resources BasicGeospatial examples.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think N should be OK, just as you say a redundant default.. I proposed several new things in the geoSystem field, submitted to spec comments a few months ago, so I hope your processor works on the new things if ever adopted.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Doug<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>R,A,B,F,IF - ways to drectly specifiy the shape of the ellipsoid so other planet shapes and sizes could be modeled<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>3TM - similar to UTM (except 3degree zones, no false northing or easting, different central meridian scale factor .9999)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I also proposed a Planet node - allows multiple planets in one scene<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:14 AM, John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>The object model is expressive enough to list conforming values, yet accept others, but as far as I know (I may be wrong here), it is not expressive enough to express supported geoSystem values. This is a problem. How do we resolve it, and should we, if we are accepting other values? Is it resolved in X3DJSAIL? Should I get rid of Roy's JSON subschema for geoSystem?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'><span style='color:#888888'>John</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>On Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:43 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'>I believe the purpose of schema is to support minimally acceptable files. It should flag files which are questionable. If a file can be brought into conformance easily, shouldn't it be?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'>Yes, you should be able to ignore the results of the schema validation...at your own risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'>What is the purpose of the X3D resources examples, but to show a good example practice? Or are we testing tools to make sure certain values are acceptable? If that's the case, then the schema should be updated for ALL versions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'>John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:19.2pt'>On Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:31 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>Then the version of the document should be upgraded to 4.0 or above, and the corresponding schema updated. I can upgrade the schema for all versions, since it is hard coded into the schema generator. But really we need support from the object model if possible. Right now, I have to explicitly allow it for all versions, since I use stdin/stdout instead of files. Does the unified object model specify a version # in its contents? When the unified object model supports "N" in a usable fashion, then I can code something into the schema, or delete the requirement to check geoSystem.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>Thanks, away from computer presently, or I would check.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>I don't see why Roy went to all the effort to create a schema, if we are going to ignore it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>This applies in many areas...if we merely have supported values, yet others must be accepted, why is there a standard?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>I don't believe it's ambiguous in this case of X3D. A missing "N" means Northern Hemisphere.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.4in'>On Sun, May 13, 2018, 12:46 AM Andreas Plesch <<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com" target="_blank">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'><a href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.2/Part01/components/geodata.html#Specifyingaspatialreference" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/specifications/19775-1/V3.2/Part01/components/geodata.html#Specifyingaspatialreference</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>lists the supported strings for the geoSystem MFString field.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>The prose choosing 'supported' over 'legal' or 'conforming' could be taken to mean that other than listed strings may be allowed to be supported as well by some browsers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>However, previous discussions indicate that schemas are not sufficiently expressive to describe unknown but conforming string values.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>One resolution was to explicitly allow 'N' in upcoming X3D version, and perhaps silently allow it for 3.3.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>Outside of X3D UTM zones often have the N hemisphere identifier to avoid ambiguity.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>Andreas<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:48.0pt'>Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 19:54:17 -0400<br>From: John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Don Brutzman <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>, X3D Graphics public mailing list<br> <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>Subject: [x3d-public] Invalid geoSystem values in X3D Resources Basic<br> Geospatial examples.<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5af77ea8.1c69fb81.7da1f.13e3@mx.google.com" target="_blank">5af77ea8.1c69fb81.7da1f.13e3@mx.google.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Don, These files contain "N" in geoSystem, which I believe is not valid, and should be removed (default is Northern Hemisphere, in the standard, I believe. "S" can be specified?not in this case).<br><br>Is there a tool which hasn?t been changed which is <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>x3d-public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:9.6pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>x3d-public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>