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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Albert,<br>
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X3D (in strict specification sense) cannot be integrated with
HTML5. There are fundamental incompatibilities that prevent that
from happening (see node and attribution case, Script node name,
name scoping, and event handling for major examples). I started
developing XSeen (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://XSeen.org/">https://XSeen.org/</a>) to address to issues. XSeen
is fully integrated with HTML5 allowing mixed DOM and 3D content
throughout the page.<br>
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The W3C Immersive Web WG is addressing many of the issues you have
raised in this and other emails. Some of these issues end up being
much more involved than what appears on the surface, especially
when involving device fingerprinting, security considerations, or
user permissions.<br>
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In particular your question about incorporating 2D web pages into
3D scene very quickly starts down the part of security
considerations. For example, does the 2D content have access to
the 3D space? Does the 3D context have access to the 2D pages? How
do you ensure that a click on a 2D page element (e.g., checkbox)
really gets handled by the 2D page and is not completely
intercepted by something in the 3D space?<br>
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If you are developing some hardware with associated software that
will work in the XR space, it might be very good to get involved
with them. I can provide contact information if you need it.<br>
<br>
Leonard Daly<br>
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Thank you Vince for your reply. </div>
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The Anchor is indeed what I somehow failed to find earlier in
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The situation we envision is when XR glasses will be commonly
used to access 3D websites that have similar possibilities for
businesses as the current 2D sites. This means that 3D website
builders should be able surround a (part of a) text, an image or
a 3D object with an anchor. Also one needs normal text fields,
radio- and checkboxes etc. for users to be able to fill-in their
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Is this already possible to do in X3D?</div>
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Regards,</div>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vmarchetti@kshell.com">vmarchetti@kshell.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vmarchetti@kshell.com"><vmarchetti@kshell.com></a><br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 9 december 2018 22:43<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Albert Jan Wonnink<br>
<b>CC:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Hyperlink and form support</font>
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<div>X3D does supports responding to mouse clicks on an elements
of a 3D scene graph through the TouchSensor node (<a
href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/pointingsensor.html#TouchSensor"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/pointingsensor.html#TouchSensor</a>)
, and there is also functionality of following a URL attached</div>
<div>to a shape in the Anchor node: <a
href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/networking.html#Anchor"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/networking.html#Anchor</a></div>
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<div>There is a basic example of the Anchor node on the X_ITE
website: <a
href="http://create3000.de/users-guide/components/networking/anchor/#example"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://create3000.de/users-guide/components/networking/anchor/#example</a></div>
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<div>I'm not sure what form support would mean in the context of
a 3D Scenegraph, but there is a specification for capturing
and responding to keyboard presses in the StringSensor node: <a
href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/keyboard.html#StringSensor"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/keyboard.html#StringSensor</a></div>
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<div>Can you say more about how you would like to extend the
familiar interface patterns of hyperlinks and input forms into
the 3D and VR worlds?</div>
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<div>With Regards.</div>
<div>Vince Marchetti</div>
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<div>On Dec 9, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Albert Jan Wonnink <<a
href="mailto:awonnink@hotmail.com"
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<span>About a year ago we started a proof of concept
of a browser suitable for HoloLens and supporting
business processes. We choose X3D as basic format,
but because of lack of knowledge of the full
specification, and having the focus on the
technology, we added our own tags using a separate
namespace.</span></div>
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<span>The most important features for which we
couldn't find the X3D implementation where
hyperlinks- and form support.</span></div>
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<span>Does X3D support these? If so, where can I find
the specification?</span></div>
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<span>Regards,</span></div>
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<span>Albert Jan Wonnink</span></div>
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<font size="+1"><b>Leonard Daly</b></font><br>
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