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<div>Hi Albert Jan,</div>
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<div>I was not referring to a special user interface. Am happy to hear these problems are solved now.</div>
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<div>I am not an expert in doing 2D interfaces in 3D worlds, but I think X3D/VRML has got some support for 2D nodes that can be used in 3D worlds. However I guess thats not what you are looking for :-)</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 11. Februar 2019 um 23:17 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Albert Jan Wonnink" <awonnink@hotmail.com><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Valentin Christoph" <Christoph.Valentin@kapsch.net>, "x3d-public@web3d.org" <x3d-public@web3d.org><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [x3d-public] 3D web should support 2D web</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: Calibri , Helvetica , sans-serif;font-size: 12.0pt;"><span>You might be referring to AR HMD's like HoloLens or Magic Leap, which are not comfortable when used for a longer time. I was happy to see the first sun-glass-like AR devices presented at CES2019, like the NReal. Don't you think we will start wearing them as normal glasses, and switch them on when needed?</span></div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: Calibri , Helvetica , sans-serif;font-size: 12.0pt;"><span>Current 3d web initiatives tend to offer a game-like experience, which is good because it will lead to the possibility of having realistic environments. But in my opinion the 3d web platform that offers Html as a type of material for 3d objects could eventually cause a breakthrough for the 3d AR web, for this will allow organizations to really mix their 2d and 3d web content.</span></div>
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<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 7 februari 2019 13:43<br/>
<b>Aan:</b> Albert Jan Wonnink; x3d-public@web3d.org<br/>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> RE: 3D web should support 2D web</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>Just my two cent.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>I think that HMDs will not completely replace classic screen with mouse and keyboard, at least for business and office purpose (maybe this will be different for gaming purpose).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>How long can I concentrate at a specific task with an HMD on my head? One hour? Two hours? At maximum.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>However, having something like “2D Web break out” with pointer device and virtual keyboard in 3D Web sounds cool.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>Basically, it depends on the use cases.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>Br</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span>Christoph</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> x3d-public <x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Albert Jan Wonnink<br/>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February </span><span>07, 2019 12:14 PM<br/>
<b>To:</b> x3d-public@web3d.org<br/>
<b>Subject:</b> [x3d-public] 3D web should support 2D web</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;color: black;">Does anyone else thinks that the future 3D web for XR HMDs should at least be able to support what we now have in 2D? For example allowing functional 2D websites 'floating' in the 3D web environment?</span></p>
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