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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I view there being 3 types of hypermedia (aka presentation or view): Movies, Text and Shapes (3D). I do not see why searching by part or sketch (model, mesh, content or data) is not acceptable. For example, there is, based on looking at Masaki Aono’s site:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>part-based 3D shape retrieval<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#545454;background:white'>Sketch-</span><em><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6A6A6A;background:white;font-style:normal'>based 3D shape retrieval<o:p></o:p></span></b></em></p><p class=MsoNormal><em><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6A6A6A;background:white;font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></em></p><p class=MsoNormal><em><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#6A6A6A;background:white;font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></em></p><p class=MsoNormal>So there’s content and presentation retrieval. The part/sketch based retrieval appear to be more focused on content, and the image/text/shape based retrieval appears to be more focused on presentation. I am interested in content/data retrieval at this point (how the data/meshes/transforms are connected), and not presentation (not what it looks like). I am looking for a part/sketch search engine on the web that includes an add-on for sketching, or upload for content.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am also interested in search by action or animation (controller) if such a thing is possible. Is something like Nagios still acceptable for this?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It’s not that presentation search is unimportant or it doesn’t work. I am currently building a bigger picture of the search and retrieval pattern based on MVC.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am thinking that Tesla has the database to implement this on. Perhaps I should submit my resume to OpenAI.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI_Five">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI_Five</a> (bots beat humans at Dota 2)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>John “Model-View-Controller search/retrieval” Carlson</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:Leonard.Daly@realism.com">Leonard Daly</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 22, 2019 4:57 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [x3d-public] Search by 3d model<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>John,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Browsers do not support plugins anymore. You can have an add-on, but the processing is not the same. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The site (<a href="http://shape.cs.princeton.edu/search.html">http://shape.cs.princeton.edu/search.html</a>) does not say, but I suspect that their database is rather outdated now because they don't have recent formats (sketch-up, FBX, glTF). I am not sure that the engine would be of much use. The research work they are doing might be, but it does not appear to be publicly implemented at this time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't think a scene graph would be a good way to go. The same visual model may be represented in significantly different scene graphs. I still my original suggestion of keyword and/or image search would be best.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Leonard Daly<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Okay! I am imagining searching by 3D mesh or unnamed shape/volume, I guess. That is, something that won’t be confused by colors.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think the Princeton site will be perfect if I can get it going with Java or OpenJDK. I am looking for a more up-to-date site, without the dependency of installing Java (and Oracle’s new license). Thus I am looking for an OpenJDK browser plugin for Chrome (or other) on Windows 10. I don’t really want to step down a rabbit hole.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>I’m now guessing I should be looking at either semantic network search or social network search for a potential solution.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Search by scenegraph?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:Leonard.Daly@realism.com">Leonard Daly</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 22, 2019 9:21 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [x3d-public] Search by 3d model<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Not sure what you are trying to do here John. All good websites will supply sufficient meta-tags for the model to allow a search by text. If you are trying to find a model based on the look of one you have, try using a screen shot. Google's image search is pretty good.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Leonard Daly<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Can someone direct me to a “search by 3d model” engine which doesn’t require java in the browser? Thanks <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>x3d-public mailing list</pre><pre><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a></pre><pre><a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a></pre></blockquote><p> </p><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#333366'>Leonard Daly</span></b><span style='color:#333366'><br>3D Systems & Cloud Consultant<br>LA ACM SIGGRAPH Past Chair<br>President, Daly Realism - <i>Creating the Future</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-- <br></span><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#333366'>Leonard Daly</span></b><span style='color:#333366'><br>3D Systems & Cloud Consultant<br>LA ACM SIGGRAPH Past Chair<br>President, Daly Realism - <i>Creating the Future</i> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>