<div dir="ltr">So what should we do about the triple DEF's in the HAnim 2.0 Annex A, LOA-4 Diamond example?<div>I haven't verified if it's in a separate scope or not. Hmm. I will get line numbers. It looks like they're separate from the PROTO bodies?</div><div><br></div><div>I am unsure if the ProtoExpander can handle this or not. I do a lot of DEF concatenation, and I also add 1000's as part of the DEF, so that when the ProtoBody's are expanded, they get a new DEF.</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:04 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thumbs up on the chisel tool. I'll be looking for some way to run via command line, so I can capture and search output.<div><br></div><div>Thanks a bunch, Doug, very helpful!</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps we should put "VRML validation" somewhere near the chisel tool in the X3D resources? IDK, I don't know it's main purpose.</div><div><br></div><div>John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:26 AM Don Brutzman <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 3/25/2020 7:11 PM, GPU Group wrote:<br>
> Chisel? "it was simply put in the public domain by Trapezium when they folded many years ago. They didn¹t specify any license" - Louka<br>
> <a href="http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/temp/chisel-src.zip" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://dug9.users.sourceforge.net/web3d/temp/chisel-src.zip</a><br>
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Also<br>
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* X3D Resources: Conversions and Translation Tools<br>
<a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/X3dResources.html#Conversions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/X3dResources.html#Conversions</a><br>
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* 15. Chisel VRML Optimisation Tool<br>
<a href="http://www2.hrp.no/vr/tools/chisel/install.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www2.hrp.no/vr/tools/chisel/install.htm</a><br>
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with autoinstaller<br>
<a href="http://www2.hrp.no/vr/tools/chisel/install.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www2.hrp.no/vr/tools/chisel/install.htm</a><br>
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and documentation<br>
<a href="http://www2.hrp.no/vr/tools/chisel/doc/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www2.hrp.no/vr/tools/chisel/doc/index.html</a><br>
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provided by Halden Virtual Reality Centre.<br>
<a href="http://www2.hrp.no/vr/about/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www2.hrp.no/vr/about/index.html</a><br>
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Originally built by Trapezium and maintained by NIST.<br>
<a href="http://ovrt.nist.gov/chisel.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ovrt.nist.gov/chisel.html</a><br>
(link no longer working, hoping to find replacement)<br>
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> But I suspect double-deffing isn't illegal. I think I've been through it, and different browsers honored the first or last definition.<br>
> -Doug<br>
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Agreed. Although it is legal in X3D abstract specification and in VRML/ClassicVRML encodings, it leads to validation difficulties in XML (and at some point JSON when JSON Schema is finished).<br>
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Wondering if we should define a suggested practice for de-duplicating DEF names within a proto, e.g.<br>
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MyWhizzyProto includes DEF SomeDuplicatedName<br>
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might get tidied up to globally rename<br>
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MyWhizzyProto includes DEF MyWhizzyProto.SomeDuplicatedName<br>
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We might also apply this in the PrototypeExpander work if that gets revisited.<br>
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Thoughts?<br>
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> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:43 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> That is, more than one DEF with the same value.<br>
> <br>
> I realize that separate PROTOs may have the same DEF due to namespaces. Unfortunately writing a Unix script to find this takes massive brain power.<br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:37 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I’m not particular looking for a vrml parser unless it catches double use of a DEF.<br>
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all the best, Don<br>
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Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><br>
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