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    <p>Jeff H. Christoph:</p>
    <p>It might be possible to launch 2 DIS receivers, one on VPN
      server, and one on VPN client, then launch a sender either on the
      VPN client or VPN server.</p>
    <p>multicast VPN may be possible, but requires some research (which
      is why you guys are running the VPN servers, not me).</p>
    <p>Please also, try to configure my VPN client so that port 80 and
      port 443 traffic does not go across VPN, thanks!</p>
    <p>John<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/24/21 6:30 PM, John Carlson wrote:<br>
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      What we've got to show is 2 receivers and 1 sender.  We will need
      receivers running on 2 boxes (now you know why we have 2 VPN
      servers!)<br>
      <p>I will try later today.  I do not know if running two VPN
        clients is acceptable, or if they will conflict.  Thus I'm
        hoping that someone else will start open-dis-python receiver.  I
        know that I cannot bind the receivers to the the same port on
        the same machine.  I think we may need to bind the receiver to a
        multicast address (how?).<br>
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      <p>For defining your protocol (ALP), I suggest xmlpg:</p>
      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://github.com/open-dis/xmlpg"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/open-dis/xmlpg</a>
        (I don't think this is specific to DIS)</p>
      <p>(protocol generator)<br>
      </p>
      <p>That will save us on implementation for multiple languages.  
        We could probably write a converter to nodes for a spec.</p>
      <p>*Would it be useful to write a X3DUOM to XMLPG converter?  I'll
        have to think about that!*</p>
      <p>I don't think this issue is limited to DIS, and would likely
        apply to ALP as well.</p>
      <p>I'll look for multicast VPN<br>
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      <p>John<br>
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      <p>On 1/23/21 11:05 PM, Christoph Valentin wrote:<br>
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        <div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1;
          padding: 0.5em">ok. I'll try to install open-dis-python next
          week.<br>
          <br>
          Now its 6 am and I'm tired. Tomorrow family stuff :-)<br>
          <br>
          i think i can choose any port i want, since no other server is
          running on the vpn.<br>
          <br>
          i *really* think server-less mode with mcast IP addresses
          *should* be possible.<br>
          <br>
          kr<br>
          <br>
          -- <br>
          Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX
          Mail gesendet.</div>
        <div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1; padding:
          0.3em">Am 24.01.21, 05:57 schrieb John Carlson <a
            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><yottzumm@gmail.com></a>:
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            <p>Initially, we should do open-dis-python (found on
              github). This is for testing sending and receiving.</p>
            <p>I'm trying to get netbeans working, because the only
              browser that works is Xj3D, I think.</p>
            <p>I don't think that there's servers per se, but I think
              only one process can bind to UDP port.</p>
            <p>I have switched to port 1194 per your config file.   So
              you should be seeing traffic on that port now</p>
            <p>John<br>
            </p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> On 1/23/21 10:48 PM, Christoph
              Valentin wrote: <br>
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              <div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1;
                padding: 0.5em"> if you tell me, which dis server i
                shall install i can do it. <br>
                <br>
                the vpn server runs on a VM with CentOS 7 <br>
                <br>
                -- <br>
                Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon
                mit GMX Mail gesendet. </div>
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                padding: 0.3em"> Am 24.01.21, 05:43 schrieb Christoph
                Valentin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><christoph.valentin@gmx.at></a>:
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                    1; padding: 0.5em"> hi john. <br>
                    <br>
                    no. no dis server. i'm interested in the server-less
                    mode of operation first. <br>
                    <br>
                    kr <br>
                    <br>
                    -- <br>
                    Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android
                    Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet. </div>
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                    padding: 0.3em"> Am 24.01.21, 05:41 schrieb John
                    Carlson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><yottzumm@gmail.com></a>:
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                      <p>This indicates to me that VPN is up and
                        running:</p>
                      <p>tun0:
                        flags=4305<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,NOARP,MULTICAST> 
                        mtu 1500<br>
                                inet 172.27.224.2  netmask
                        255.255.224.0  destination 172.27.224.2<br>
                                inet6 fe80::af6a:d148:dbb8:d1a7 
                        prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link><br>
                                unspec
                        00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 
                        txqueuelen 100  (UNSPEC)<br>
                                RX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)<br>
                                RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0 
                        frame 0<br>
                                TX packets 3  bytes 144 (144.0 B)<br>
                                TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0 
                        carrier 0  collisions 0</p>
                      <p>(note: MULTICAST)<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>I will try to detect if you have a DIS server
                        running.</p>
                      <p><br>
                        Wish me luck!<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>John<br>
                      </p>
                      <p><br>
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                      <p>On 1/23/21 9:28 PM, Christoph Valentin wrote:<br>
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                        <div class="mail_android_message"
                          style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em"> thè
                          address can be found in my email with subject
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          " [x3d-public] Tiny VPN for Use by Web3D
                          Community (max. 10 connections at a time)" <br>
                          <br>
                          tell me, when you can connect <br>
                          <br>
                          all the best <br>
                          <br>
                          -- <br>
                          Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android
                          Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet. </div>
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                          style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em"> Am
                          23.01.21, 23:01 schrieb John Carlson <a
                            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                            href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><yottzumm@gmail.com></a>:
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                            <p>If you send me the address/host and port
                              of your VPN, I should be able to run the
                              Linux client?  Not sure at this point. 
                              You can send me your windows client
                              config, and I should be able to pull
                              host/port out of that.</p>
                            <p><br>
                              We've still got a problem with running the
                              receiver on a centralized host, but
                              perhaps with multicast, that is
                              unnecessary?</p>
                            <p>Did you have any luck connecting to our
                              VPN?</p>
                            <p>Do we need an "echo server" of some type?<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>Thanks,</p>
                            <p>John<br>
                            </p>
                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> On 1/23/21
                              6:20 AM, Christoph Valentin wrote: <br>
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                                <div> Hello John, </div>
                                <div>   </div>
                                <div> Do you still need my VPN? </div>
                                <div>   </div>
                                <div> I can send you the (Windows)
                                  client configuration for first tests
                                  now, if you want. </div>
                                <div>   </div>
                                <div> KR <br>
                                    <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Januar 2021 um
                                  12:56 Uhr <br>
                                  Von: "John Carlson" <a
                                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                    href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><yottzumm@gmail.com></a>
                                  <br>
                                  An: "X3D Graphics public mailing list"
                                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                    href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><x3d-public@web3d.org></a>,
                                  "Christoph Valentin" <a
                                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                    href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><christoph.valentin@gmx.at></a>,
                                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                    href="mailto:holger.seelig@yahoo.de"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">holger.seelig@yahoo.de</a>
                                  <br>
                                  Betreff: DIS examples...no hits
                                  against VPN multicast DIS server <br>
                                  We had success with open-dis-python
                                  running the receiver on my openvpn <br>
                                  client machine (with the VPN server
                                  and DIS sender running elsewhere).  <br>
                                  When we tried to run the receiver
                                  elsewhere, no luck. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  I was able to modify X3D resources
                                  examples which contained address= to <br>
                                  point to our DIS server, which was
                                  similar to the dis_receiver.py found <br>
                                  in open-dis-python. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  It didn't appear like any of the
                                  examples I tried from X3D resources <br>
                                  examples contacted the DIS receiver. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  I will try to meet with Christoph V or
                                  Don or someone to figure out <br>
                                  what's going on.  I have not delved
                                  deep into the X_ITE codebase yet to <br>
                                  see if DIS is fully implemented. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  How does one define success with a DIS
                                  webapp?  What's the best X3D <br>
                                  browser for DIS? <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  John <br>
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