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<p class="MsoNormal">Attendees: John Carlson, Anita Havele, Vince Marchetti, Nicholas Polys, Dick Puk, Don Brutzman.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We talked for an hour looking closely and thinking about these  refinements that resolved long-running misunderstandings and modeling/authoring issue considerations.  The value of mailing-list dialog and mantis-issue recording of working-group
 consensus was acknowledged as helpful and important.  Much insightful dialog, a variety of test cases considered, the changes are simply refinements on a specification that works.  Everything withstood scrutiny today.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All changes accepted, thanks for all contributions.  Onward we go – have fun with X3D4!  8)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">all the best, Don<br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- <br>
Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br       brutzman@nps.edu<br>
Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA   +1.831.656.2149<br>
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics </span><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 1, 2021 8:14:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> X3D Public <x3d-public@web3d.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard F. Puk <puk@igraphics.com>; Athanasios Malamos <athanasios.malamos@gmail.com>; Eftychia Lakka <efilakka@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: X3D meeting agenda 1 OCT 2021: TimeSensor pause, resume, cycleInterval resolution review</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Additional agenda item: review resolution prose for PROFILE and COMPONENT handling by topmost parent scene across Inline scenes.</p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1">Mantis
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1151: 09.4.2 Inline - Inline is silent about head, component, unit, and meta statements</span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1151</li></ul>
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<p class="xmsonormal">now published at</p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">X3D Architecture, Clause 7 Core Component, 7.2.5.3 PROFILE statement</li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/core.html#PROFILEStatement</li></ul>
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<h3 style="margin-top:10.5pt"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">7.2.5.3 PROFILE statement</span></h3>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Every X3D application shall declare a profile at the beginning of execution. This declaration tells the browser the exact set of components and their support levels that are required
 for the application to run, allowing for a browser to dynamically load the appropriate components if it so desires, and providing a mechanism for strict conformance should the browser choose to enforce it. If a browser supports the combination of declared <span class="xproposeddeletion"><s><span style="background:orange">profile
 and components</span></s></span> <span class="xproposed"><span style="background:yellow">profiles, components, and component support levels</span></span> (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/core.html#COMPONENTStatement">7.2.5.4
 COMPONENT statement</a>), it may proceed with presenting the world; otherwise, it shall fail.</span></p>
<p class="xproposed1" style="background:yellow"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Each PROFILE is equivalent to a precise combination of COMPONENT statements including names and levels. The Full profile defined to be
 the superset of all components and component support levels. The Core profile is defined to be the minimum set of all components and component support levels.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The profile is declared via a PROFILE statement immediately following the Header statement at the top of the file. The form of the PROFILE statement is:</span></p>
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<p><span class="xcode"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">PROFILE <name></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">where name is a string that does not contain whitespace.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The following profiles are defined in this standard:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Core (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/coreprofile.html">A Core profile</a>),</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="xmsonormal" style="color:black;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Interchange (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/interchange.html">B Interchange profile</a>),</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="xmsonormal" style="color:black;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Interactive (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/interactive.html">C Interactive profile</a>),</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="xmsonormal" style="color:black;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">MPEG-4 interactive (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/MPEG4interactive.html">D MPEG-4 interactive profile</a>),</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Immersive (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/immersive.html">E Immersive profile</a>),</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<li class="xmsonormal" style="color:black;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Full (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/fullProfile.html">F Full profile</a>),</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="xmsonormal" style="color:black;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">CADInterchange (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/CADInterchange.html">H CAD interchange profile</a>) and</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="xmsonormal" style="color:black;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">
<span class="xproposed"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;background:yellow">MedicalInterchange (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/MedicalInterchange.html">M MedicalInterchange
 profile</a>)</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The profile name is implicitly qualified by the version number of the standard (see <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/core.html#HeaderStatement">7.2.5.2
 Header statement</a>). Browsers shall use both the profile name and the version number to determine the specific characteristics of the profile.</span></p>
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<p style="background:yellow"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">For an X3D model that includes references to Inline nodes, the topmost model defines the maximum capabilities of the combined models. The combination of
 defined PROFILE and COMPONENT statements in the parent model shall be equivalent to (or a superset of) the union of components and component support levels identified by the PROFILE and COMPONENT statements specified in each contained Inline scene.</span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><a name="x_COMPONENTStatement"></a>all the best, Don<br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- <br>
Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br       brutzman@nps.edu<br>
Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA   +1.831.656.2149<br>
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman">
http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:45 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">X3D Public</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:puk@igraphics.com">Richard F. Puk</a>; <a href="mailto:athanasios.malamos@gmail.com">
Athanasios Malamos</a>; <a href="mailto:efilakka@gmail.com">Eftychia Lakka</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>X3D meeting agenda 1 OCT 2021: TimeSensor pause, resume, cycleInterval resolution review</p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Regular meeting this Friday on Web3D Consortium teleconference line.</p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> </p>
<p class="xmsonormal">Dick and I made excellent progress resolving multiple long-standing Mantis issues regarding pause, resume, cycleInterval changes.  We further built on prior mantis/mailing-list comments to require consistent determinism when loading Inline
 models as part of initial scene definition, independent of intermediate network delays.  Interesting.</p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Issue commentary online (for Web3D members) at</p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php</li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#F3F3F3">Mantis 1080: 08.4.1 TimeSensor - TimeSensor cycleInterval needs to be modifiable when
 running</span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#F3F3F3">Mantis 1106: 08.2.4.4 Pausing time - Settings on resuming after pause</span></li></ul>
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<p class="xmsonormal">We request review, all comments welcome.  Proposed changes are publicly visible online at</p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7">X3D Architecture, Time component</li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/time.html</li></ul>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Looking further ahead:  the following long-standing issue to make TimeSensor cycleTime outputOnly event part of X3DTimeDependentNode, and thus consistently part of AudioClip MovieTexture and relevant new Audio nodes.  Makes sense for media
 synchronization, seems feasible and useful to authors, appears do-able without loss of backwards compatibility.  We did not resolve this functional improvement today, but might address it during upcoming CD balloting by ISO member nations.</p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo8">Mantis 8.3.1 X3DTimeDependentNode: include TimeSensor outputOnly field cycleTime?</li></ul>
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<p class="xmsonormal">We will also discuss this during the X3D Audio call Wednesday.  If everyone wants to proceed, we will consider adoption on Friday.</p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">As ever, time is of the essence.  No really.</p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Have fun with X3D4 animation and interaction!  8)</p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">all the best, Don<br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- <br>
Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br       brutzman@nps.edu<br>
Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA   +1.831.656.2149<br>
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman">
http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span></p>
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