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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>"The following nodes are not allowed: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#NodeReference">26.3 Node reference</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimDisplacer">26.3.1 HAnimDisplacer</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimHumanoid">26.3.2 HAnimHumanoid</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimJoint">26.3.3 HAnimJoint</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimMotion">26.3.4 HAnimMotion</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimSegment">26.3.5 HAnimSegment</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V4.0/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimSite">26.3.6 HAnimSite</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>All Except HAnimHumanoid.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:webmaster@web3d.org">Mantis Bug Tracker</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, February 26, 2022 6:31 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[X3D 0000836]: 04.3.2 Root nodes - Additional nodes need to be allowed as root nodes<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A NOTE has been added to this issue. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Reported By: walroy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Assigned To: brutzman<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Project: X3D<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Issue ID: 836<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Category: 19775-1 (Abstract)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tags: V4.0, V4.0 Resolution<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Reproducibility: N/A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Severity: minor<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Priority: normal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Status: assigned<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Date Submitted: 2015-08-02 08:34 PDT<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Last Modified: 2022-02-26 18:31 PST<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Summary: 04.3.2 Root nodes - Additional nodes need to be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>allowed as root nodes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Description: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>4.3.2 Root nodes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/concepts.html#Rootnodes">http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/concepts.html#Rootnodes</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Summary: additional nodes need to be allowed as root nodes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Spec sayeth:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"An X3D file contains zero or more root nodes. The root nodes for an X3D file<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>are those nodes defined by the node statements or USE statements that are not<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>contained in other node or PROTO statements. Root nodes shall be children<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>nodes as specified in 10 Grouping component or the LayerSet node as specified<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>in 35.4.2 LayerSet."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Recommend adding:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"All X3DChildNode nodes are allowed."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>or possibly<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"The following nodes are also allowed: Background, BackgroundTexture, Fog,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>GeoLOD, HAnimHumanoid, Inline, NavigationInfo, Viewpoint, ViewpointGroup and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>WorldInfo." etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Also<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"The following nodes are not allowed: HAnimJoint, HAnimSegment, HAnimSite."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Additional Information: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Submitted on Saturday, 2015, August 1 - 6:45pm<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>by brutzman (brutzman )<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>IP: 205.155.65.226<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>See: <a href="http://www.web3d.org/node/1694/submission/633">http://www.web3d.org/node/1694/submission/633</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>======================================================================<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Relationships ID Summary<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>----------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>related to 0001292 numbering of z order of layers in LayerSet<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>related to 0001373 Ensure uniform and consistent usage of ...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>related to 0001092 07 Core component - MetadataSet or Meta...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>related to 0001382 37.4.10 RigidBody as X3DChildNode<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0001412) walroy (manager) - 2015-08-02 08:36<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c1412">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c1412</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"All X3DChildNode nodes are allowed."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I prefer this statement because it automatically covers the situation <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>where new nodes are added that derive from X3DChildNode. Also, I think <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>some qualification is needed to indicate the the potential list is <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>intersected with nodes allowed by the declared profile. E.g., <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>BackgroundTexture and Fog are not in the Interchange profile.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Submitted by Leonard Daly Aug 2nd 2015 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0002001) brutzman (administrator) - 2017-03-09 09:35<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c2001">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c2001</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Discussed at today's specification-review meeting.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Also needed:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>- Metadata* nodes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>- Certain statements, e.g. ROUTE, ProtoDeclare, ExternProtoDeclare,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>ProtoInstance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Need to cross-link related issues in Mantis.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Affects 4.3.2 Root nodes, 4.4.2.3 Interface hierarchy, and 10.3.2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>X3DGroupingNode.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Note that WorldInfo has no children in VRML97 and so must be careful of making a<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>necessary practice of putting Metadata* nodes within a WorldInfo.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Note that GeoOrigin (although deprecated, often needed at top level) can be a<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>child of GeoMetadata and does not need to be a root node.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0002002) joedwil (developer) - 2017-03-14 13:31<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c2002">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c2002</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think i tried to make a joke about this, but it is the eternal question of<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>whether or not to allow a Shape as a root, or always require it to be a child of<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>transform. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Already we are seeing in X3DOM seems to be allowing this to be true. It is<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>really a question of allowing the user to draw stuff in the default global<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>space, or whether the author must always first create the drawing space within<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>the drault space.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Also, there are or maybe will be several nodes like HAnimJoint that cannot be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>root because they belong in some structure so no sense in listing nodes that are<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>not allowed. The statement must be simple as suggested above. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>All Best, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0002995) brutzman (administrator) - 2022-01-31 21:48<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c2995">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c2995</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Shape and HAnimHumanoid are allowed as root nodes. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0003061) brutzman (administrator) - 2022-02-17 04:14<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c3061">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c3061</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Current prose says<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"Root nodes shall be children nodes as specified in 10 Grouping component"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>More precise (and thus better is the suggested explicit statement<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"All X3DChildNode nodes are allowed."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Refined prose to match in 4.3.2 Root nodes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/concepts.html#Rootnodes">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/concepts.html#Rootnodes</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Recommend resolving.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0003097) brutzman (administrator) - 2022-02-23 15:38<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c3097">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c3097</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>What about<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>GeoOrigin: yes, add<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>RigidBody: maybe, tests OK as X3DChildNode (in which case no special addition is<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>needed)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Not suitable as root nodes, they each get special handling:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>ShaderPart<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>ShaderProgram<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> (0003155) brutzman (administrator) - 2022-02-26 18:31<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c3155">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=836#c3155</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Specification updated, ready to resolve <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Issue History <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Date Modified Username Field Change <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>====================================================================== <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2015-08-02 08:34 walroy New Issue <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2015-08-02 08:36 walroy Note Added: 0001412 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2016-12-08 11:05 walroy Relationship added related to 0001092 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-09 09:31 brutzman Note Added: 0002001 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-09 09:32 brutzman Note Edited: 0002001 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-09 09:35 brutzman Note Edited: 0002001 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-09 09:36 brutzman Assigned To => brutzman <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-09 09:36 brutzman Status new => acknowledged <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-09 09:36 brutzman Status acknowledged =><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>feedback<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2017-03-14 13:31 joedwil Note Added: 0002002 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2020-05-30 06:18 brutzman Tag Attached: V4.0 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2020-05-30 06:18 brutzman Status feedback => confirmed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2020-05-30 06:19 brutzman Relationship added related to 0001292 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2020-05-30 06:20 brutzman Status confirmed => assigned<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2021-04-23 09:56 brutzman Tag Attached: V4.0 Resolution <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2021-05-04 11:02 brutzman Summary 4.3.2 Root nodes -<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Additional nodes need to be allowed as root nodes => 04.3.2 Root nodes -<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Additional nodes need to be allowed as root nodes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-01-31 21:48 brutzman Note Added: 0002995 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-17 04:14 brutzman Note Added: 0003061 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-17 04:14 brutzman Note Edited: 0003061 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-22 15:56 brutzman Relationship added related to 0001373 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-22 16:01 brutzman Note Added: 0003097 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-22 16:10 brutzman Note Edited: 0003097 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-22 16:17 brutzman Note Edited: 0003097 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-22 16:22 brutzman Relationship added related to 0001382 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-22 16:25 brutzman Note Edited: 0003097 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-23 15:37 brutzman Note Edited: 0003097 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-23 15:38 brutzman Note Edited: 0003097 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2022-02-26 18:31 brutzman Note Added: 0003155 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>======================================================================<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>-- </pre><pre>Leonard Daly</pre><pre>Webmaster, Web3D.org</pre><pre>Electronic Services, Web3D Consortium</pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>