<div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em">Good morning, John,<br/><br/>I think you addressed this e-mail to Joe, didn't you?<br/><br/>Please let me anyway try some "thread hijacking", because I think I can add to these questions.<br/><br/>First question: [...]A big question is whether we support generic and/or topic specific events[...]<br/><br/>My trial of an answer: I think, I have answered this question with my project SrrTrains v0.01 ( <a href="https://simulrr.sourceforge.net">https://simulrr.sourceforge.net</a> ) : a) the Network Sensor per se provides generic events, b) around the Network Sensor, I built some generic functions that are not provided by the NSN (I called it the SMUOS Framework), c) the SMUOS Framework can be extended by specific extensions (I examplified the Key Manager Ext., the Beamer Manager Ext. and the Train Manager Ext.)<br/><br/>Second question: [...]Perhaps we need a larger view of Systems than just ParticleSystems? Doug had a Planet tag which could be considered a particle[...]<br/><br/>My trial of an answer: Not every X3D Scene simulates a system. X3D Scenes can be used for telling stories, for visualization of pre-defined data, as user interface for some real life process and so on. So the question should rather be: how to "plug in" the multiuser capability into the well-known paradigm of X3D/VRML interactivity and animation. I felt free to describe this in chapters 2.2 and 2.3 of my paper about the ALP: <a href="https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/tree/master/ALP">https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/tree/master/ALP</a><br/><br/>Kind regards,<br/>Christoph<br/><br/>--<br/>Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.</div>
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I think streaming network events is a good idea. A big question is whether we support generic and/or topic specific events. Perhaps we could create a Stream node, like:
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This folds into ideas like Emitters/Collectors or pub/sub so we can emit and collect streamed events, even geometry. I don’t have a good way to ROUTE streams yet. We might need the concept of field tag for this, which I am trying to avoid.
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I’m pretty sure that this was the sort of high level networking Christoph was talking about.
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Perhaps we need a larger view of Systems than just ParticleSystems? Doug had a Planet tag which could be considered a particle.
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How might DIS fit into this? I don’t know if DIS can work if only port 80 and 443 are available and filtered/proxies.
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How might we create Outline which is the opposite of Inline?
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It seems like there are threads from many areas of X3D which could contribute.
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This requires more architectural thinking than I’m used to. “Help, I’m melting!”
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On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 6:47 PM Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think everyone is working on x3d4, next full documentation for next extension and update of x3d and so maybe does not have a time for working on this now, even as it is so important for the future of x3d. I would suggest continue getting all available info on past work on network sensor then trying to make a date with the x3d graphics team, I think probably Don is mediating, and get a time in the future to describe what you are doing. Or, somehow get the interest of current x3d tools. Also, making sure this x3d networksensor would handle any new features related to webxr and related. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at">Christoph Valentin</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 14, 2021 10:22 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:npolys@vt.edu">Nicholas Polys</a>; <a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">Joseph D Williams</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:scoe@brg19.at">Christian Schoebel</a>; <a href="mailto:paul.mueller@gmx.at">Paul Müller</a>; <a href="mailto:roman.onic@kontron.com">Roman Onic</a>; <a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at">Markus Sonntag</a>; <a href="mailto:kevin.wriston@kontron.com">kevin.wriston@kontron.com</a><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [x3d-public] animated 3D multiuser. When? How?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt">Hi Joe,<br><br>>>>>> Along the way web3d can help achieve meaningful agreement and possible advancement to standards-track.<br><br>Would be great to receive official feed back at the list about my "ALP" proposal from last January: <br><a href="https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/tree/master/ALP">https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/tree/master/ALP</a><br><br>Kindest regards<br>Christoph<br><br>--<br>Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 12.11.21, 22:52 schrieb Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt">and Who? Or more accurate which groups of people and products. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt">Good question. Answered by: Who is showing these x3d scene features that use x3d best practices and widely accepted standards, and with at least one comparable independent implementation along with suitable node and field and event documentation? Along the way web3d can help achieve meaningful agreement and possible advancement to standards-track. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt">And many people underestimate the efforts that are inherent to a CVE.<u></u><u></u></p>
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