<div dir="ltr">It sounds like X3DUOM is settling down some, I will try to do a JSON schema build in a bit.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:16 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks Michalis, we were looking for you to confirm this one last time.<br>
Commented out within Schema DTD Tooltips and X3DUOM, EnvironmentLight will<br>
be deferred to X3D4.1<br>
<br>
all the best, Don<br>
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International Standard DIS) document nearing completion<br>
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> Mantis 1336, X3D4 Lighting component, 17.4.2 EnvironmentLight - <br>
> Khronos glTF extension for image based lighting <br>
> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/P" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/P</a><br>
> art01/components/lighting.html#EnvironmentLight<br>
> Michalis or Dick, can you please confirm whether or not this is part of<br>
glTF 2.0 PAS submission to ISO. If so we will include it, otherwise it is<br>
deferred to X3D4.1.<br>
<br>
Environment lighting (just like any kind of lighting, actually) is not part<br>
of any glTF spec. I believe I mentioned it numerous times :)<br>
<br>
And, in X3D, we're not ready to put this in spec (which is also my fault --<br>
too little time). My progress is on<br>
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. The EnvironmentLight node I propose there is not yet finalized, no browser<br>
(including my own CGE/view3dscene) has actually implemented it fully so far,<br>
I would absolutely veto from including this in spec (even *if* glTF included<br>
it in spec, but it doesn't). It will come, but we need to work on it more :)<br>
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The glTF progress (KHR_lights_environment extension) is in<br>
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Regards,<br>
Michalis<br>
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pt., 20 maj 2022 o 18:32 Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br>
napisał(a):<br>
><br>
> Attendees: Anita Havele, Nicholas Polys, Dick Puk, Don Brutzman<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Announcement.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The Web3D Consortium membership and Board of Directors have unanimously<br>
endorsed advancement of the proposed text for X3D version 4.0 Architecture<br>
19775-1 Draft International Specification (DIS) to ISO/IEC JTC 1. The<br>
International Standards Organization (ISO) and International<br>
Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) are the controlling authorities for Joint<br>
Technical Committee (JTC) 1 which is responsible for this formal<br>
standardization process.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> X3D version 4.0 follows a long and steady path of standardization,<br>
reaching all the way back to the Virtual Reality Modeling Language (VRML)<br>
standard in 1997. Balloting by ISO/IEC JTC 1 national standards bodies is<br>
the next step in the process, and is expected to take place this summer.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Mantis technical issues.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> We are now down to 9 remaining editorial issues for X3D4.0 DIS resolution.<br>
Specification editors Dick and Don are putting finishing touches on this<br>
document, in Web3D Consortium github archives, and preparing the formal<br>
submission to ISO/IEC.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Issues and comments we discussed today:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Mantis 1336, X3D4 Lighting component, 17.4.2 EnvironmentLight - <br>
> Khronos glTF extension for image based lighting<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1336" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1336</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/P" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/P</a><br>
> art01/components/lighting.html#EnvironmentLight<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Michalis or Dick, can you please confirm whether or not this is part of<br>
glTF 2.0 PAS submission to ISO. If so we will include it, otherwise it is<br>
deferred to X3D4.1.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Mantis 1292, Layering component, numbering of z order of layers in <br>
> LayerSet<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1292" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1292</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/P" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/P</a><br>
> art01/components/layering.html#LayerSet<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Numbering schemes for layers in LayerSet now seem pretty closely aligned<br>
to HTML/CSS z order. Nicholas will take one last close look on this.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Next steps.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> We continue pursuing issues with due diligence, and are excited to be this<br>
close to delivery to ISO/IEC.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Have fun with X3D4! 8)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> all the best, Don<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br<br>
<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><br>
><br>
> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA<br>
+1.831.656.2149<br>
><br>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https:// <br>
> <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><br>
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