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<body style="overflow-wrap:break-word; word-break: break-word;"><div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em">Hi John,<br/><br/>I am in favour of following explanation:<br/><br/>Our senses (lower layer) and our mind (higher layer) build together a dynamic "model of the universe" (motu).<br/><br/>In the beginning of our life this model is small (it comprises more or or less the womb), then the model starts to grow.<br/><br/>Whenever we encounter a new experience, then we try to match this experience against the motu.<br/><br/>An experience creates meaning, when it matches well. If there is no match, then the experience doesn't mean anything to us.<br/><br/>So, because the motu is very personal to each of us, also meaning is a very personal feeling/experience and cannot be described in a scientific (objective) way. It's the domain of art to convey meaning.<br/><br/>All the best<br/>Christoph<br/><br/>--<br/>Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.</div><div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em"><html><body>Am 18.06.22, 02:28 schrieb John Carlson <yottzumm@gmail.com>:</body></html><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I have been following Donald Hoffman, and recently saw a video with him and Lex Fridman, where Donald was suggesting that space-time was the older generations interpretation of what they were “seeing,” and there was something more basic creating spacetime, perhaps sensory organs.
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Today, I saw an interview with Jordan Peterson in Montreal where he said that people saw meaning. I didn’t understand that, but my wife also said she saw meaning.
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I would state that i see color and perhaps depth, if not overlays of color. This goes along with “fragment shaders.”
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So we’re doing good work tackling the semantics of X3D. How does one render meaning though, possibly without relying on words, geometry and texture? Something that a deafblind person might have a clue about? I am pretty clueless about that, probably because i have hypophantasia? Yes, words can elicit multiple meanings, but what about shapes? How does one convert a mesh to meaning without some form of intelligence? Is meaning equivalent to function? Is meaning equivalent to tables?
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My wife is a photographer, so obviously she wants to capture meaning in her pictures. I believe that animators want to capture meaning, or something that’s going on inside our heads, not necessarily something in what used to be called space-time.
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As I step into sign language and tactile sign language, i see even more that seeing is meaning to some people.
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I understand that different views can create different meanings, and the word “view” may have multiple meanings.
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So how about you? Do you have a frame of reference inside spacetime, meaning, or color, or all three when you see? More? A picture is a thousand words? Are we getting more complex than Einstein?
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Your words are welcome!
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John
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