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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Web3D Consortium involvement in Metaverse Standards Forum is straightforward:  we are a Standards Development Organization (SDO) with many applicable standards.  Our goal is to represent that capably so that others understand.  It gives Web3D Consortium an excellent way to reach many other interested organizations and explore standards interoperability.  We have a strong set of capabilities within that even-broader set of goals.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As far as individual efforts for X3D HAnim and Web3D, they remain most welcome in x3d-public community.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Glad you watched Nicholas Polys video from SIGGRRAPH 2022 Birds of a Feather (BOF) meeting, it explains many things about what we are doing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo16'>Web3D Ecosystem and the Metaverse - SIGGRAPH 2022 BOF https://twitter.com/Web3DConsortium/status/1553065575512911876<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo16'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T8WbIpdIDc<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As far as Metaverse Standards Forum might be engaging with individual efforts, please check over there.  Last week they advertised that they now have 1200 members.  Not seeing individual membership.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo16'>https://metaverse-standards.org <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo16'>Hosted by the Khronos Group, the Forum membership is currently open to for-profit or nonprofit organizations, including companies, standards organizations, industry associations or universities at no charge.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br        brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA    +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> John Carlson <yottzumm@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 5, 2022 5:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu><br><b>Cc:</b> Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch@gmail.com>; X3D Public Mailing List (x3d-public@web3d.org) <x3d-public@web3d.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] X3D minutes: X3D Graphics Specification Relationships, request review of Integrating X3D and glTF<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>How does a web3d member get plugged into multiuser Metaverse standards?   See next section down for my experience.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Welcome to complexity where imperative models can be made declarative and declarative models can be made imperative.   Future or present SAI?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here is my understanding.   X3D scenegraph encodings and glTF assets are both declarative (this used to be called structured mode).   Both have ways of working with imperative code (this used to be called immediate mode).   SAI application code can be either declarative or imperative or both.   I’m thinking that I introduced building a imperative  way of using SAI with X3DJSAIL and Don introduced building a declarative way of using SAI with X3DJSAIL.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We worked on parallel paths, but I started using declarative programming after Don proved it out.  Imperative programming is still fully possible,  AFAIK.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So no one needs to put up their noses and say, “We’re only declarative” or “We’re only imperative”. Those boats have shipped long ago.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for listening.    Everyone can have their cake and eat it too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Of course, each SAI implementation may choose not to implement load/export, but Don’s and Myeong’s focus on providing XSLT for nearly anything proves its worth.   I have not been able to produce much XSLT code because I prefer a more imperative approach.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My work mainly involves JSON loading into DOM documents, which provides a path back to XML.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Unfinished work is JSON to Python.  I’m hoping we can accomplish a path from XML or JSON into Python.   Why Python?   Why not?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do think the target to hit is WASM  (web assembly) for 3D graphics.   I think the best use of the Metaverse might be virtual travel.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>=============================<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I worked long hours last week improving my Java lircom project,  which includes a multiuser 3D authoring tool (which might be useful for building colorful borg ships), multiuser solitaire and multiuser chat system.   The goal here is to provide a multiuser messaging protocol below the application protocols.   Something like JMS would probably be adequate if JMS systems worked across the internet.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also have a JavaScript multiuser system that supports a world tag game, simple card system and chat.   It’s based on <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocket.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cbdc0c6d817e2428d066508da7743f8fe%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637953431078260556%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EWGAk2dkrnEhtPhJPSeESyf%2BrZWXa5rIcNusiU5%2BpQw%3D&reserved=0">socket.io</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am open to someone taking over these projects.   I do need to provide more documentation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know Christoph Valentin is looking for web developers for his multiuser systems.   Perhaps we should look at that since I think the Metaverse is supposed to be multiuser?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Indeed, he has lots of comparisons between multiuser systems components that might be used in the Metaverse.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am not sure if multiuser is a strength of Web3d (joined any DIS worlds lately?), but many people are interested multiuser systems.   What standards body can we pair with who has a multiuser standard at the ISO level?   Perhaps we should consider just using Jabber/XMPP and things like libjingle?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Can we or do we want to resurrect Google Wave?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 12:31 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Attendees: Anita Havele, Dick Puk, Don Brutzman<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We normally meet Fridays 09-1000 pacific.  (Regrets, no meeting next week.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l12 level1 lfo1'><b>ISO Annual Meeting</b>.  Dick and Don reviewed almost-complete annual meeting of ISO standards committee SC24.  Our liaison report has been shared with Web3D Consortium members providing detail on all Web3D X3D and HAnim issues.  Once the ISO meeting resolutions are shared and reviewed with members, we’ll be posting the Web3D Liaison report for public awareness.  Summary:  everything we have declared is progressing well.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=2 type=1><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><b>X3D Graphics Specification Relationships</b>.  We have made some small adjustments to our (very busy!) chart describing all Web3D Consortium standards, and how they relate to other standards.  Updated online at<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dGraphicsStandardsRelationships.png" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dGraphicsStandardsRelationships.png</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dGraphicsStandardsRelationships.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dGraphicsStandardsRelationships.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Improvements to color legend:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l14 level1 lfo4'>Grey, Proposed<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l14 level1 lfo4'>Orange, Working draft in progress<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l14 level1 lfo4'>Yellow, ISO balloting in progress<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l14 level1 lfo4'>White, ISO approved<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thus three standards are in ballot (X3D 4.0 Architecture, X3D 3.3 SAI Bindings for C, C++, C#) and one standard is getting updated (X3D SAI from 3.3 to 4.0).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Of note is that rough-draft notes for (X3D SAI from 3.3 to 4.0) are posted as follows.  Next step will be to put HTML versions with editorial markup in Web3D Consortium’s github version control.<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dSaiReviewCommentsJuly2022.reduced.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dSaiReviewCommentsJuly2022.reduced.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As ever, comments welcome.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=3 type=1><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l15 level1 lfo6'><b>X3D and glTF Comparison</b>.  Anita is checking our most recent postings that compared glTF and X3D, which led to full support of glTF capabilities in X3D4.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l13 level1 lfo7'>Integrating X3D and glTF: How to Play Together Well on the WWW<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l13 level1 lfo7'>Nicholas Polys, Ph.D., October, 2019<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l13 level1 lfo7'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/blog-integrating-x3d-and-gltf" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/blog-integrating-x3d-and-gltf</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>and<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>X3D and glTF Features Comparison, 3 NOV 2017<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/page/X3D%20Version%204%20Overview/glTfX3dFeaturesComparison.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/sites/default/files/page/X3D%20Version%204%20Overview/glTfX3dFeaturesComparison.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hoping to confirm that everything there is still correct… changes in X3D4 likely means that some of these entries need to be updated.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Review comments and improvements are welcome.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=4 type=1><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l10 level1 lfo9'><b>Web3D Ecosystem and the Metaverse - SIGGRAPH 2022 BOF</b>.  An excellent presentation is now available:<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo10'>Web3D Ecosystem and the Metaverse - SIGGRAPH 2022 BOF, Join the Web3D Consortium for a discussion on how #X3D technology contributes to the Metaverse. From Interactive Real-Time 3D, to Mixed Reality and Humanoid Animation #HAnim for an open Metaverse.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo10'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FWeb3DConsortium%2Fstatus%2F1553065575512911876&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cbdc0c6d817e2428d066508da7743f8fe%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637953431078260556%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oZbXr7v6Z%2FQXcZJcit5uFilHoPmRl4ZhYxO1dpLNotk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/Web3DConsortium/status/1553065575512911876</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo10'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F2T8WbIpdIDc&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cbdc0c6d817e2428d066508da7743f8fe%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637953431078416708%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kj8Cc3Fj1scRbkvYrM%2BI6c3mKMPdcU2Jj4U1z1Y93T0%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/2T8WbIpdIDc</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>TODO: post two more videos from SIGGRAPH 2022 BOFs… hopefully next week.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=5 type=1><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l8 level1 lfo11'><b>Metaverse Standards Forum</b>.  As a Standards Development Organization (SDO) Web3D Consortium is a founding member of Metaverse Standards Forum.  This work continues to ramp up rapidly, now with 1200 members.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l11 level1 lfo12'>Metaverse Standards Forum: Where Leading Standards Organizations and Companies Cooperate to Foster Interoperability Standards for an Open Metaverse<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l11 level1 lfo12'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetaverse-standards.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cbdc0c6d817e2428d066508da7743f8fe%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637953431078416708%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d0ZzhsRn71WCu99ZgLUEWqKcnM%2BwOoINxBniCtHP7XU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://metaverse-standards.org</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Web3D Consortium actually has a lot of available technology capabilities in this space.  To learn more, please see<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l9 level1 lfo13'>“The Metaverse Standards Forum provides a unique opportunity to achieve secure, collaborative (interoperable), durable, and pervasive Mixed-Reality content,” said Nicholas Polys Ph.D., president of the Web3D Consortium.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=m6309619550305343266msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l9 level1 lfo13'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FWeb3DConsortium%2Fstatus%2F1539412412377333761&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cbdc0c6d817e2428d066508da7743f8fe%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