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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi John, thanks for review.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Expect to see little or no “invention” of X3D graphics in the SAI specifications, as descriptions and recent X3D Graphics Specification Relationships diagram mosaic shows, the SAI is a set of application programming interfaces for X3D.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think you are correct to flag the following two important utility methods as essential.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We expect to first confirm correct definition of such things during 19775-2 SAI abstract-specification review. Later we will confirm consistent definition in each of the corresponding SAI-related specifications for ECMAscript, Java, Python, C, C++, C#.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>Step by inexorable step…<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> John Carlson <yottzumm@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 30, 2022 3:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] X3D meeting minutes 28 July 2022: X3D4 Scene Access Interface (SAI) review<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Indeed, they are there at least in the JavaScript SAI specification (see below). Not in the Java SAI specification that I can see. Others may have better eyes. <o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=1010 style='width:757.55pt;border-collapse:collapse;border:none'><tr><td style='border:groove windowtext 3.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>String<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='border:groove windowtext 3.0pt;border-left:none;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>toVRMLString()<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='border:groove windowtext 3.0pt;border-left:none;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Returns the X3D Classic VRML-encoded string that, if parsed as the value of an SFNode field, produce this node. If the browser is unable to reproduce this node, the name of the node followed by the open brace and close brace shall be returned. Additional information may be included as one or more Classic VRML comment strings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='border:groove windowtext 3.0pt;border-top:none;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>String<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:groove windowtext 3.0pt;border-right:groove windowtext 3.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>toXMLString()<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:groove windowtext 3.0pt;border-right:groove windowtext 3.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'></td></tr></table></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 5:15 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now that I reread this a bit, the Jupyter notebook stuff isn't exactly a live SAI, AFAIK, takes an XML document out of one, non-interactive "SAI" and puts it in an interactive scene. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>While x3d.py and X3DJSAIL show this well, there should be some discussion whether we want these "document dumps" in a final SAI (are they already there?).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll try to do some reading on my desktop now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 3:17 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’m not saying this too well. I mean producing XML, JSON or VRML, to use with browsers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I believe we have some Jupyter notebooks showing this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Enjoy!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 3:01 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think there’s a potential 3rd use case for SAI, and that’s for creating views of the model hierarchy, for use with X3DOM and X_ITE.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:19 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There was a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 29 July 2022 at 09-10 pacific. Connection information and topics follow.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Attendees: Anita Havele, Doug Sanden, Don Brutzman. Prior review and inputs: Dick Puk. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo1'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fj%2F81634670698%3Fpwd%3Da1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cda4f2eea0c7648efaad208da72160a1c%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637947736251495490%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YB3968hxquCUV9JdrBIWfNbWUk7d1dnhpuyVs0d2fuY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09</a> <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo1'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F148206572&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cda4f2eea0c7648efaad208da72160a1c%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637947736251495490%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZmSEJ6OFzVC4hPYQ0YFqw6%2BT2Oj3Lakc8oyjIizY59o%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://zoom.us/j/148206572</a> Password 483805 <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo1'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information</a> <o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo2'>Doug Sanden described a lot of work he has going on with FreeWrl code review, upgrading for X3D4. 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style='margin-left:.75in'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/event/web3d-bof-siggraph-2022" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/event/web3d-bof-siggraph-2022</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FWeb3DConsortium%2Fstatus%2F1553065575512911876&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cda4f2eea0c7648efaad208da72160a1c%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637947736251495490%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jQl6vcpjHy1V%2F0FLy42nDkYsEHsvovPTcdRZTbRxMxc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/Web3DConsortium/status/1553065575512911876</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'>Join the Web3D Consortium for a discussion on how our technology contributes to the Metaverse. From Interactive Real-Time 3D, to Mixed Reality and Humanoid Animation<span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#0D0D0D;background:white'> (HAnim)</span>, everything we do in 3D is significant to an open Metaverse. See how our members are scaling expertise in 3D, Modeling and Simulation, Geospatial, Augmented Reality, and Web Audio towards an open, interoperable Metaverse. Our extensible 3D presentation layer brings 3D content from different domains from across the WWW into rich, interactive 3D worlds.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=3 type=1><ol start=2 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7 level2 lfo9'><b>ACM SIGGRAPH Cartographic Visualization (Carto) Birds of a Feather</b><o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><p style='margin-left:.75in'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2022.siggraph.org%2Fpresentation%2F%3Fid%3Dbof_101%26sess%3Dsess155&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cda4f2eea0c7648efaad208da72160a1c%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637947736251495490%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=G1GlfzTBdq3vlFTY1I%2BXfeto5ylh4JpHViVGDTB2ZHk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://s2022.siggraph.org/presentation/?id=bof_101&sess=sess155</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'>The ACM SIGGRAPH Cartographic Visualization (Carto) session explores how viewpoints and techniques from the computer graphics community can be effectively applied to cartographic and spatial data sets. Speakers demonstrate their latest tools and application efforts.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=3 type=1><ol start=3 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo10'><b>Immersive Visualization for Research, Science and Art</b><o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><p style='margin-left:.75in'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2022.siggraph.org%2Fpresentation%2F%3Fid%3Dbof_128%26sess%3Dsess328&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cda4f2eea0c7648efaad208da72160a1c%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C637947736251495490%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tbNrs6efA7Ste0HnzXEXwtbMjhNf2nLjLnhGwNSS0YU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://s2022.siggraph.org/presentation/?id=bof_128&sess=sess328</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'>Traditionally, this session is on immersive visualization systems for science and research, scientific visualization information visualization, art and science. Invited speakers and panel discuss newest initiatives and developments in visualization space. Presentations included Nicholas Polys on durability of X3D.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.75in'>Tomasz Bednarz, NVIDIA and William Sherman, NIST<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=4 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l14 level1 lfo11'><b>Annual ISO/IEC JTC-1 SC24 meeting – progress report</b>.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Under discussion, for all hours of day/night interspersed over a 4-week period, are many topics. X3D4, Smart Cities, VR/AR/MAR/XR, virtual/augmented reality health and safety, more. Next week will see finalization of committee conclusions and recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=5 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo12'>X3D4 Scene Access Interface (SAI) Review<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Our “specification mosaic” diagram shows how all the many X3D-related specifications fit together.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo13'>X3D Graphics Standards Relationships<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo13'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dGraphicsStandardsRelationships.png" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dGraphicsStandardsRelationships.png</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>With the X3D4 Draft International Standard (DIS) complete and undergoing national-body balloting by ISO/IEC, it is time to turn our sights on X3D4 SAI. This document forms the abstract-API reference and common basis for numerous other X3D APIs including EcmaScript (JavaScript), Java, Python, C, C#, C++.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo14'>Information technology — Computer graphics, image processing and environmental data representation — Extensible 3D (X3D) —<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo14'>Part 2: Scene access interface (SAI) ISO/IEC 19775-2:2015<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo14'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-2/V3.3" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-2/V3.3</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo14'>X3D is a file format and related access services for describing interactive 3D objects and worlds. X3D is designed to be used on the Internet, intranets, and local client systems. X3D is also intended to be a universal interchange format for integrated 3D graphics and multimedia. X3D may be used in a variety of application areas such as engineering and scientific visualization, multimedia presentations, entertainment and educational titles, web pages, and shared virtual worlds.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo14'>This part of ISO/IEC 19775 defines the scene access interface that can be used to interact with X3D worlds both from within the worlds or from external programs.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Based on review/revision of X3D SAI 3.3 in 2015, led by Dick Puk and myself for Web3D and ISO, this document is pretty mature. I have performed a careful document review, available at<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo15'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dSaiReviewCommentsJuly2022.reduced.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dSaiReviewCommentsJuly2022.reduced.pdf</a> (14MB)<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Under consideration, of general interest for future discussion: can we help distinguish between different primary use cases, namely<o:p></o:p></p><ol start=5 type=1><ol start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo16'>Browser services (the current primary emphasis),<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo16'>Script node source code (sorta implicit), and<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo16'>Simple subset API used for model creation and authoring, no live browser interactions needed.<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If we get clearer about those three use cases, it may help all of our X3D SAI APIs be clearer and more useful.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Request all interested parties look over this comments review. Next go-forward step will be putting X3D4 SAI into Github version control for Web3D Consortium members.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Thanks for all input and participation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Have fun with finishing Web3D 2022 papers/posters, watching SIGGRAPH videos, and (deep breath) X3D4 SAI review! 8)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>x3d-public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>