<div dir="ltr">"Machine Based" could be "Native" or "Native Application"?<div>Stacks not shown: </div><div>- Chromium native plugin (desktop DX,OGL)</div><div>- Electron (Chromium+Node.js html+css: chromium webgl)</div><div>- Webkit / WASM (web browser hosted native code: webgl)</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 7:10 AM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px"><div>Trying a beautification..............still just a suggestion / draft / "brain fart".............</div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 17. September 2022 um 14:14 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [x3d-public] Fw: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div>Increment v0.2......</div>
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<div>All the best</div>
<div>Christoph</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 17. September 2022 um 13:41 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [x3d-public] Fw: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.5em">Instant correction:<br>
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Should replace "Hardware" by "Machine" (can be a virtual machine)<br>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.3em">Am 17.09.22, 11:21 schrieb Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>>:
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<div>Hi John, Hi Don,</div>
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<div>Sorry for my late reaction.</div>
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<div>What do you think about this?</div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Christoph</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 16. September 2022 um 18:05 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "John Carlson" <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "X3D Public Mailing List (<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>, "Don Brutzman" <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [x3d-public] X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div>Doug Sanden suggested we include Web Assembly (WASM). Presumably it would be compiling an X3D Browser. I am not sure if we are going to compile X3D applications to WASM, but it's a nice thought!</div>
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Sorry for my "brain farts", but one silly idea.<br>
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If X3D is ONE standard (for WebGL, OpenGL and DirectX)<br>
and if X3D is backwards compatible with VRML worlds,<br>
and if some future development (which need not carry the name "X3D") will be backwards compatible with X3D,<br>
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then,<br>
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why shouldn't we draw another contiguous block below the "X3D Application" and call this block<br>
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"Web3D Browser (Web Based, OpenGL based, DirectX based, ......)".<br>
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Kr,<br>
CP<br>
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<div>Am 15.09.22, 21:22 schrieb Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>>:</div>
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1) You mean?<br>
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-. HTML instead of HTML Browser<br>
- concrete X3D engines instead of "X3D Engine" (why are X_ITE and X3DOM listed, standalone X3D engines are not listed by name?).<br>
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2) One question to all:<br>
The "X3D Application" (I would rather call it "Web3D Application") is a contiguous block above "both worlds".<br>
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Are we all on the same page, what this means? Not the provider of the application, but the user of the application selects which X3D browser to use?<br>
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Kr,<br>
Christoph<br>
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<div>More likely, a combined term would be API?</div>
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One small remark about x3d web stack.<br>
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The picture uses two kinds of blocks<br>
1. Software entities (Browser, Engine, OS, ...)<br>
2. Standards (WebGL, OpenGL, ...)<br>
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Couldn't we write software entities instead of standards (e.g. WebGL is implemented by JavaScript engines)?<br>
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Kr<br>
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<div>Am 15.09.22, 20:49 schrieb "Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)" <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There will be a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 29 July 2022 at 09-10 pacific. Connection information and topics follow.</p>
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<li><a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09" target="_blank">https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09</a></li>
<li><a href="https://zoom.us/j/148206572" target="_blank">https://zoom.us/j/148206572</a> Password 483805</li>
<li><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information</a></li>
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<li>Good progress in Design Printing Scanning call led to two new Mantis issues for possible comment:</li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in">Mantis <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);color:black">1400: add Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) to recommended image formats for ImageTexture</span></li>
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<p><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1400" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1400</a></p>
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<li style="margin-left:0in">Mantis <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);color:black">1401: aligning X3D4 LineProperties with Quality Information Framework (QIF) specification</span></li>
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<p><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401</a></p>
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<li>Any further improvements to X3D-glTF comparison? Excellent progress so far, this is a valuable review.</li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in">Features Comparison X3D 4.0 and glTF 2.0</li>
<li style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t</a></li>
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<li>Reviewing Web3D Roadmap, Anita and Communications Team made some good edits today.</li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3</a></li>
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<li>Considering further refactoring of X3D Web Stack diagrams (three variations attached)</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span></p>
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