<div dir="auto">Indeed, last i heard, WASM does not have String or DOM types. Anyone have more recent information?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:52 AM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px"><div style="font-family:Verdana">Hi Doug, Hi Don, Hi All,</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Thank you very much for your input.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">I am herewith sending the "release candidate 2" of version 0.7 of the "<strong style="font-family:Verdana">Suggestion of a Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software for Kind Consideration by the Community/Consortium</strong>".</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">During a non-public discussion I received following additional comments that have not been considered yet:</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">[...] for the MetaVerse, there will need to be aspects of multiuser included. I’m not sure if these are DIS servers or what, and there might need to be security for DIS connections.</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">For the accessible Metaverse, perhaps tactile or (ASCII) Braille interface might be used.[...]</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana"> Here it is:</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">I am aware that some efforts will be necessary to define the meaning of "..." in the string "Web APIs (WebGL, DOM, ...)" and the meaning of "......" in the string "Operating System and DirectX, OpenGL, ......".</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">One comment abou WebAssembly (WASM): at the link <a href="https://deref-gmx.net/mail/client/gyCoOuAmPmc/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fdeveloper.mozilla.org%2Fen-US%2Fdocs%2FWebAssembly%2FConcepts" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Concepts</a>, I found following sentence: [...]WebAssembly is a different language from JavaScript, but it is not intended as a replacement. Instead, it is designed to complement and work alongside JavaScript, allowing web developers to take advantage of both languages' strong points[...]</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Kr,</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 18. September 2022 um 17:26 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "GPU Group" <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>, "Don Brutzman" <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>, "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> Re: Fw: [x3d-public] Re: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">That looks close.
<div style="font-family:Verdana">Should the "Web APIs" be below "HTML/CSS/javascript"?</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">2 stacks in the W3C Browser box:</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">a) conventional web app</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">HTML/CSS/Javascript</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">Web APIs / webgl</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">W3C browser</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">b) WebAssembly </div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">WebAssembly / WASM</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">Web APIs / webgl</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">W3C browser</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">The W3C browser delegates webgl to host operating system native method graphics APIs, such as DirectX on windows via ANGLE PROJECT interop layer.</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">WebAssembly / WASM also runs over the web apis, something that looks like a desktop function is converted to a Web API / webgl call via interop layer.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" style="font-family:Verdana">On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 8:56 AM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Sorry, one (hopefully) last increment: v0.6</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Necessary corrections:</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">- Browser plugins are displayed correctly, now (imho)</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">- red: application software</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">- green: software with standardized or "well-known" APIs</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">- blue: APIs</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Kind regards,</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">Christoph</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 18. September 2022 um 05:14 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> "Doug Sanden" <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>, "Don Brutzman" <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Cc:</b> "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> Fw: [x3d-public] Re: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Hi Doug,</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">I inserted another light blue box, at the left side, in order to tackle your comments.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">I called the box "Native Runtime Environment" (NRE), so I think I covered all the cases of JRE, Browser Plugins and WebKit/WASM, didn't I?</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Kind regards,</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">Christoph</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 17. September 2022 um 17:45 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>, "Doug Sanden" <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Cc:</b> "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> [x3d-public] Fw: Re: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Anyway, two last small improvements, before I let it go :-)</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Have a nice week</div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana">Yours Christoph</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 17. September 2022 um 16:39 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> "Doug Sanden" <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Fw: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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Unfortunately, I am not aware of those technologies (Chromium, Electron, Webkit / WASM).</div>
<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.5em;font-family:Verdana">Do you think, the picture could be easily adapted to introduce them (without naming concrete products/projects)?</div>
<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.5em;font-family:Verdana">Would it be a big problem, if I asked you to do that update? I sent the .odg with the e-mail. You are free to use and modify it according to your will (let's say according to GPL license).<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Christoph<br>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.3em;font-family:Verdana">Am 17.09.22, 15:26 schrieb GPU Group <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>>:
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">"Machine Based" could be "Native" or "Native Application"?
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">- Chromium native plugin (desktop DX,OGL)</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Trying a beautification..............still just a suggestion / draft / "brain fart".............</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Kind regards,</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 17. September 2022 um 14:14 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Cc:</b> "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> [x3d-public] Fw: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">All the best</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 17. September 2022 um 13:41 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Cc:</b> "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:klw71@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">klw71@yahoo.com</a>>, "Mehdin Masinovic" <<a href="mailto:mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">mehdin.masinovic2@gmail.com</a>>, "Markus Sonntag" <<a href="mailto:markus.sonntag@tmo.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">markus.sonntag@tmo.at</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> [x3d-public] Fw: Potential X3D Stack of APIs and Software - Aw: Re: X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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Should replace "Hardware" by "Machine" (can be a virtual machine)<br>
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Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.</div>
<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.3em;font-family:Verdana">Am 17.09.22, 11:21 schrieb Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>>:
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Hi John, Hi Don,</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">What do you think about this?</div>
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<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Verdana"><b style="font-family:Verdana">Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 16. September 2022 um 18:05 Uhr<br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">Von:</b> "John Carlson" <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Verdana">An:</b> "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><br>
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<b style="font-family:Verdana">Betreff:</b> Re: [x3d-public] X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Doug Sanden suggested we include Web Assembly (WASM). Presumably it would be compiling an X3D Browser. I am not sure if we are going to compile X3D applications to WASM, but it's a nice thought!</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" style="font-family:Verdana">On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 3:00 PM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.5em;font-family:Verdana">Hi all,<br>
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Sorry for my "brain farts", but one silly idea.<br>
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If X3D is ONE standard (for WebGL, OpenGL and DirectX)<br>
and if X3D is backwards compatible with VRML worlds,<br>
and if some future development (which need not carry the name "X3D") will be backwards compatible with X3D,<br>
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then,<br>
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why shouldn't we draw another contiguous block below the "X3D Application" and call this block<br>
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"Web3D Browser (Web Based, OpenGL based, DirectX based, ......)".<br>
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Kr,<br>
CP<br>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Am 15.09.22, 21:22 schrieb Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>>:</div>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.5em;font-family:Verdana">Hi John<br>
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1) You mean?<br>
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-. HTML instead of HTML Browser<br>
- concrete X3D engines instead of "X3D Engine" (why are X_ITE and X3DOM listed, standalone X3D engines are not listed by name?).<br>
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2) One question to all:<br>
The "X3D Application" (I would rather call it "Web3D Application") is a contiguous block above "both worlds".<br>
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Are we all on the same page, what this means? Not the provider of the application, but the user of the application selects which X3D browser to use?<br>
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Kr,<br>
Christoph<br>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.3em;font-family:Verdana">Am 15.09.22, 21:09 schrieb John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>:
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">More likely, a combined term would be API?</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" style="font-family:Verdana">On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 2:04 PM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="line-height:1;padding:0.5em;font-family:Verdana">Hi,<br>
<br>
One small remark about x3d web stack.<br>
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The picture uses two kinds of blocks<br>
1. Software entities (Browser, Engine, OS, ...)<br>
2. Standards (WebGL, OpenGL, ...)<br>
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Couldn't we write software entities instead of standards (e.g. WebGL is implemented by JavaScript engines)?<br>
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Kr<br>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Am 15.09.22, 20:49 schrieb "Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)" <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Verdana">There will be a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 29 July 2022 at 09-10 pacific. Connection information and topics follow.</p>
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<li style="font-family:Verdana"><a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09</a></li>
<li style="font-family:Verdana"><a href="https://zoom.us/j/148206572" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://zoom.us/j/148206572</a> Password 483805</li>
<li style="font-family:Verdana"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information</a></li>
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<li style="font-family:Verdana">Agenda review</li>
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<li style="font-family:Verdana">Good progress in Design Printing Scanning call led to two new Mantis issues for possible comment:</li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in;font-family:Verdana">Mantis <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);color:black">1400: add Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) to recommended image formats for ImageTexture</span></li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in;font-family:Verdana">Mantis <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);color:black">1401: aligning X3D4 LineProperties with Quality Information Framework (QIF) specification</span></li>
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<p style="font-family:Verdana"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401</a></p>
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<li style="font-family:Verdana">Any further improvements to X3D-glTF comparison? Excellent progress so far, this is a valuable review.</li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in;font-family:Verdana">Features Comparison X3D 4.0 and glTF 2.0</li>
<li style="margin-left:0in;font-family:Verdana"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t</a></li>
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<li style="font-family:Verdana">Reviewing Web3D Roadmap, Anita and Communications Team made some good edits today.</li>
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<li style="margin-left:0in;font-family:Verdana"><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3</a></li>
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<li style="font-family:Verdana">Considering further refactoring of X3D Web Stack diagrams (three variations attached)</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Verdana">Onward we go…</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span></p>
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