<div dir="auto">What i was trying to say is that more than one person may be using an X3D app, and an X3D app may be spread across several machines. So things like signaling servers become important for security reasons.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 9:24 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7517885041269488503WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Apologies, my mail server had problems last Friday and dropped the more detailed minutes we had been working on. Here are some slight improvements.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Attendees: John Carlson, Anita Havele, Nicholas Polys, Dick Puk, Doug Sanden, Don Brutzman<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Mantis issues 1400, 1401 (see agenda below): more improvement to prose, note SVG purpose/scoping, Dick and Don to follow up on ballotability of our Web3D comments with ISO and INCITS.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Roadmap improvements:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="a"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Split out Tools as separate row, note Blender etc. has some support and all need X3D4 updates<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">X3D4.1 goes to last row, MAR is draft/future, relates to SC24 work<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">X3D4 compressed geometry not yet updated, some experimental nodes in X3DOM implementing SRC geometry proposal by Fraunhofer, area of future work to further align with glTF binary, note Draco compression extension, note use of “image” files to pass compressed geometry.<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Good improvements, further alignment needed, review updates next week. Updates still needed to match recent ISO SC44 annual meeting. Not yet ready to share.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">3. Web Stack diagrams. Complex, various, we will keep pushing this around.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Doug noted Web Assembly might fit in. John has pointed out that programmer interfaces can be use by multiple people. Possibly listing ECMAScript and CSS in the Web stack might help us account for the great variability that exists here.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Might be able to split into Web Applications and Standalone Applications for clarity. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Plenty to think about… more discussion and refinement.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I don’t think there will be any one unification here, there are many ways of doing things. However some best-practice patterns may emerge such as plain-old-html embedding with X_ITE/X3DOM, Web3DUX, standalone applications, etc.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">4. Metaverse Standards Forum has had lots of excellent activity. We continue participating and are getting good insights, further we are communicating our approach as laid out in our meetings.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Metaverse Standards Forum<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://metaverse-standards.org" target="_blank">https://metaverse-standards.org</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Anita notes that even more opportunities to engage and discuss and represent are available for Web3D members. Please contact her if you are interested. This is a major opportunity and major member value!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">5. Metaverse Standards Forum Registry is particularly interesting. There was a presentation on ISO Standards Registry, we will share when available.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">6. Don traveling next two Fridays… possibly able to dial in next week… Discussion is always worthwhile so we will keep the meetings active. Also (of course) let’s keep working via email.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">7. Nicholas notes that these are exciting times! This is at least round three or four for us… it is great to be able to “tell our story” to so many companies and organizations and individuals.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Have fun with X3D! 8)<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">brutzman@nps.edu</a><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 15, 2022 11:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> X3D Public Mailing List (<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">[corrected agenda follows, apologies for prior runaway email]<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">There will be a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 29 July 2022 at 09-10 pacific. Connection information and topics follow.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoPlainText"><a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09" target="_blank">https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09</a> <u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoPlainText"><a href="https://zoom.us/j/148206572" target="_blank">https://zoom.us/j/148206572</a> Password 483805 <u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoPlainText"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information</a> <u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="0" type="1"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph">Agenda review<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph">Good progress in Design Printing Scanning call led to two new Mantis issues for possible comment:<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="a"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Mantis <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);color:black">1400: add Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) to recommended image formats for ImageTexture</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1400" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1400</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="a"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Mantis <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);color:black">1401: aligning X3D4 LineProperties with Quality Information Framework (QIF) specification</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph">Any further improvements to X3D-glTF comparison? Excellent progress so far, this is a valuable review.<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Features Comparison X3D 4.0 and glTF 2.0<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph">Reviewing Web3D Roadmap, Anita and Communications Team made some good edits today.<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0.25in"><u></u> <u></u></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0.25in"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1"><li class="m_7517885041269488503MsoListParagraph">Considering further refactoring of X3D Web Stack diagrams (three variations attached)<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Onward we go…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br </span><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">brutzman@nps.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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