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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Attendees: Anita Havele, Nicholas Polys, Dick Puk, Don Brutzman. Prior inputs: Vince Marchetti.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There will be a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 9 December 2022 at 09-10 pacific.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=0 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>Agenda review.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.25in'><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>X3D4 international ballot results.<o:p></o:p></li><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6'>Happy to report that X3D4 Architecture unanimously passed voting by national bodies for Draft International Standard (DIS)!<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6'>Editors (Dick and Don) are scheduling an editors meeting with ISO, hopefully this calendar year.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6'>Web3D members and X3D group remains welcome to review all issues and proposed resolutions in Mantis.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6'>X3D4 Press Release currently being prepared by Anita. Inputs welcome.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6'>It is possible that resolution of DIS comments will directly lead to our requesting immediate document resubmission to ISO/IEC as International Specification (IS) prose. We will keep leaning forward!<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>DIS specifications for C, C++, C#, ISO/IEC 19777-3,4,5 (for X3D version 3.3). Myeong Won Lee is ready for review – we need to proceed expeditiously in January to determine readiness and hopefully finish that. Web3D Consortium does final DIS review before submission (and relinquishing control) to ISO.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.25in'><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=3 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>Mantis 1410, X3D HAnim support for applying textures to skin. We reviewed and refined the issue. Summary of next steps:<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>Mantis <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#F3F3F3'>1410: HAnimHumanoid skin definitions have no way to assign textures</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1410<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#F3F3F3'>We recommend</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* Taking a generous view of HAnim2 wording “[indexed mesh objects as defined by the representation]”</span><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* to allow identical usage of a Shape node, thus ensuring that textures are possible on animated human skin.</span><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* This approach more closely aligns X3D4 with intent described in HAnim2.</span><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* Such an approach is already demonstrated in our examples.</span><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* Building more detailed examples will be helpful. Williams and Brutzman to continue.</span><br clear=all><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>Suggested prose will be along the lines of</span><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* (keep current regarding geometry nodes, add words along the lines of)</span><br clear=all><span style='background:#F3F3F3'>* The skin field can also contain a single Shape node which contains one of the previous geometry nodes</span><br clear=all style='font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px'></span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=4 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>HAnim work on apparel, motion animation and avatars.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Good meetings with Web3D members about apparel, and HAnim2 correspondences, following up on Web3D 2022 workshop and IEEE 3D Body Processing working group efforts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>The needed functional capabilities all appear to be representable, no technical blockers identified. Further examples will certainly help illustrate how to do this.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Here is one example that converted a model from Joe produced in 2004, converted to X3D, work in progress:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>X3D Example Archives: Humanoid Animation, Characters, Joe Skeleton Site Skin Salute Walk<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>Attempting to show skeleton, skin, sites and animation<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Characters/JoeSkeletonSiteSkinSaluteWalkIndex.html<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Work continues. Joint meeting for principals in each group is planned for some time in January.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=5 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>Upcoming meetings for US National Body INCITS graphics committee quarterly meeting.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>Friday 16 DEC, 10 pacific or 1300 eastern<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>Request Nicholas or Vince represent Web3D Consortium and X3D<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.25in'><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=6 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'>Continuing installations and improvements for X3D-Edit. Initial tests with just-released Netbeans 16 successful. Next release will be this weekend.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>SourceForge X3D Files, X3D-Edit<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8'>https://sourceforge.net/projects/x3d/files<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Have fun with X3D!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 8, 2022 8:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> X3D Public Mailing List (x3d-public@web3d.org) <x3d-public@web3d.org><br><b>Cc:</b> brutzman@nps.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> X3D Working Group agenda 9 DEC 2022: HAnim issue, X3D4 spec finalization meeting, X3D-Edit progress<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There will be a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 9 December 2022 at 09-10 pacific. Connection information and topics follow.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoPlainText style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09">https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09</a> <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoPlainText style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://zoom.us/j/148206572">https://zoom.us/j/148206572</a> Password 483805 <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoPlainText style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information">https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information</a> <o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=0 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7'>Agenda review. Any other topics for group review this year?<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7'>X3D4 international ballot results.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7'>Mantis 1410, X3D HAnim support for applying textures to skin.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7'>HAnim work on apparel, motion animation and avatars.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7'>Upcoming meetings for US National Body INCITS graphics committee and ISO editors.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7'>Continuing installations and improvements for X3D-Edit. Initial tests with just-released Netbeans 16 successful.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Have fun with X3D!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>