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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi, </p><p class=MsoNormal>I worked with the original .wrl and moved the original walk script to timer-interpolator style and hooked up other animations. </p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Legacy/BoxManIndex.html">Humanoid Animation X3D Examples Archive, Legacy, Box Man (web3d.org)</a></p><p class=MsoNormal>The boxman is not moving. </p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/BoxManJoeAnim.reworked.x3dv<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal>The boxman is moving. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Will look for what is causing that conversion error. </p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, </p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, December 25, 2022 2:14 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">Joseph D Williams</a>; <a href="mailto:michalis.kambi@gmail.com">Michalis Kamburelis</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:h-anim@web3d.org">h-anim@web3d.org</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">X3D Public Mailing List (x3d-public@web3d.org)</a>; <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [...] HAnim2 X3D4 BoxMan update</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>p.s. X3D-Edit (i.e. Netbeans) does a good job on bracket matching for both squiggly and square brackets in .x3dv files. Nevertheless I was not unable to find a model error.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Might be a conversion error - perhaps something is unexpectedly triggering a problem in the view3dscene converter. At line 687, the model transitions from a series of OrientationInterpolator declarations to a series of ROUTE declarations. These are all within the <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>DEF StopAnimation Group children […]</span> field, which looks legal to me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>[lines 683-689]<o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> DEF Stop_r_pinky1RotInterp OrientationInterpolator { key [0,0.5,1] keyValue [0 0 1 0,0 0 1 0,0 0 1 0] } <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> DEF Stop_r_pinky2RotInterp OrientationInterpolator { key [0,0.5,1] keyValue [0 0 1 0,0 0 1 0,0 0 1 0] } <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> DEF Stop_r_pinky3RotInterp OrientationInterpolator { key [0,0.5,1] keyValue [0 0 1 0,0 0 1 0,0 0 1 0] }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> ROUTE StopTimer.fraction_changed TO Stop_HumanoidRootTransInterp.set_fraction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> ROUTE StopTimer.fraction_changed TO Stop_HumanoidRootRotInterp.set_fraction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> ROUTE StopTimer.fraction_changed TO Stop_sacroiliacRotInterp.set_fraction<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:2.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 25, 2022 1:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joseph D Williams <joedwil@earthlink.net>; Michalis Kamburelis <michalis.kambi@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> h-anim@web3d.org; X3D Public Mailing List (x3d-public@web3d.org) <x3d-public@web3d.org>; Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [...] HAnim2 X3D4 BoxMan update<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This is great, thanks Joe. Looks like you worked with<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><a href="http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/BoxMan.x3dv">http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/BoxMan.x3dv</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal>With original moved and now maintained at<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Legacy/BoxMan.x3d">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Legacy/BoxMan.x3d</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Legacy/BoxManIndex.html">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Legacy/BoxManIndex.html</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Your updated ClassicVrml .x3dv model is checked into version control as<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/BoxManJoeAnim.reworked.x3dv">https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/BoxManJoeAnim.reworked.x3dv</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Next, imported .x3dv to .x3d using Castle Game Engine tovrmlx3d Convert everything to X3D server. However, got one significant error:<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><a href="https://castle-engine.io/convert.php">https://castle-engine.io/convert.php</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span style='color:#333333'>tovrmlx3d: Warning: VRML/X3D: Error when reading, will skip the rest of X3D file: Error at line 687 column 8: Expected node type or DEF or USE, got keyword "ROUTE"</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately that error prevented any conversions of ROUTES, dropping everything following the HAnimHumanoid. Current partial result checked into version control as BoxMan4.x3d<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/BoxMan4.x3d">https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/BoxMan4.x3d</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I looked for a squiggly square bracket mismatch in your .x3dv source but could not isolate one. Can you find the fix?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Next for Michalis: something in your (excellent) converter is slowing us down. Currently a lot of trailing digits are added to many numeric values by the converter, making it difficult to perform version-control diffs and difficult to keep values easily readable. Example:<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Background { groundColor [ 0.6 0.6 0.6 ] [ 0.75 0.75 0.75 ] }<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal>turns into<o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><Background<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal> groundColor="0.60000002384185791 0.60000002384185791 0.60000002384185791"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> skyColor="0.75 0.75 0.75" /><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hoping you can reduce output precision. A good default is four trailing digits, which is typical for HAnim suggested values and most other X3D defaults. Thanks for considering this improvement.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 24, 2022 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>; X3D Public Mailing List (<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:h-anim@web3d.org">h-anim@web3d.org</a>; Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Design patterns for HAnimHumanoid skin and apparel using HAnim2standard in X3D4<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid #004679 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#004679'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:yellow'>NPS WARNING: *external sender* verify before acting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Don,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Attached is reworked boxman, with skin and interpolators rather than the script used in original version.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, December 24, 2022 11:42 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">X3D Public Mailing List (x3d-public@web3d.org)</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:h-anim@web3d.org">h-anim@web3d.org</a>; <a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">Joseph D Williams</a>; <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Design patterns for HAnimHumanoid skin and apparel using HAnim2standard in X3D4<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe, thanks for steady efforts making progress on HAnim models. Your latest examples are online as follows, with diagnostics and testing continuing. At some point we will want to produce cleaned-up versions of legacy BoxMan models too.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>X3D Example Archives: Humanoid Animation, Skin<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In order to keep track of all the different ways that apparel might be included with an HAnim2 X3D4 model, we have come up with the following list of possibilities.<o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/DesignPatternsApparelVariations.txt">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/DesignPatternsApparelVariations.txt</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> Design patterns for HAnimHumanoid presenting skin and apparel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> using HAnim2 standard in X3D4<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>a. *<b>Simple Skeleton</b>*. <i>skeleton</i> field, simple skeleton structure, invisible or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> visualized by rendered ball-and-stick for joints, segments, sites.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>b. *<b>Simple Skeleton Mesh</b>*. <i>skeleton</i> field, Shape geometry attached to segments,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> moving with skeleton but rendering is crude since no deformation occurs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> during animation if overlapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>c. *<b>Skin, Indexed Geometry only</b>*. <i>skin</i> field, indexed Coordinate mesh with<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> <i>skinCoordIndex</i> and weight connections at each of joint nodes for browser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> performance of smooth deformation when moving.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>d. *<b>Skin, Shape holding indexed geometry</b>*. Allow <i>skin</i> field to hold Shape<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> containing Appearance with Material or texture, similarly holding indexed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> mesh with <i>skinCoordIndex</i> connections at joints for smooth deformation <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> when moving. (Specification revision pending, Mantis 1408).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>e. *<b>Switch or LOD</b>*. Similarly allow <i>skin</i> field to hold Switch or LOD, then a<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> single Shape holding indexed mesh. If agreed upon that this is extremely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> similar will require specification change resembling Mantis 1408.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>f. *<b>Synthesis</b>*. Extra-large Coordinate mesh using duplicate points for <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> inner-volume (flesh mesh) and outer-volume (apparel mesh) geometry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> Likely possible with existing X3D4 specification but requires complex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> preprocessing of humanoid geometry. Applying cloth physics likely not<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> practical or possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>g. *<b>Apparel</b>*. Add <i>apparel</i> field to future specification versions (namely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> HAnim2.1 and X3D4.1), allowing separate definition of clothing that is<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> independent of skin mesh. Likely want an MFNode array to permit multiple<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> clothing layers. Likely need to consider special cases for cloth physics.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>h. *<b>Anatomy</b>*. Similar to <i>apparel</i> field: multiple epithelial tissue layers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> for surfaces of human organs are common, often with similar construction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> about concentric center-line spine through deformable organ. This suggests<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> that an adapted <i>Extrusion</i> node may be more relevant than meshes. Likely <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> will also need to consider special cases for organ physics. Note that this<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> is similar (possibly identical) rationale to preceding analysis of apparel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>also thanks to Vince and Dick for thoughtful discussions as we have proceeded.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Happy Holidays everyone!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>