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<div dir="ltr">You are looking at complex library internals, or advanced utility methods, not user-facing library calls. You will not find parent methods in the SAI. No need for that. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Please exit the interior, go to the other end of the telescope, and look at how 4000 x3d models have been consistently translated into Java using simple, straightforward, verbally speakable
<span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">methods</span>. Same for Python JSON and Turtle. Those are the design patterns and examples that programmers or authors can use to build X3D models.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Easy is good. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 29, 2023 12:36<br>
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<div dir="auto">X3D4 looks like it conforms to Don’s ideas, addChildren is feasible, but addParents is not. Some structures (X3DNode, X3DChildNode) don’t currently support parent(s) in the node fields.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In X3DJSAIL, parent methods are available in X3DConcreteElement, X3DConcreteNode X3DConcreteStatement. Whether there are direct references or search techniques to get parent(s) is unknown. It’s also unknown whether the classes appear in standard(s).<br>
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<div dir="auto">Please confirm or deny the above.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 11:53 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Indeed, the X3D3 scene graph is a directed acyclic graph, not a tree:</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/concepts.html#Scenegraphhierarchy" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/concepts.html#Scenegraphhierarchy</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">I’ll look at X3D4 next.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Is the X3D scene different from the X3D scene graph? View vs Model?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I’ll start looking at node declarations next.</div>
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<div dir="auto">We’ve had “X3D scene has a tree structure” discussion in email before, and we got into DEF/USE and ID/IDREF.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I am aware that the HAnim skeleton is a tree, per the standard.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I’m guessing SAI has potential for adding a child to more than one parent, if not the encodings. Is this allowed or restricted?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I’m pretty sure XML DOM an HTML DOM restrict nodes to one parent.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 12:50 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John, it is definitely helpful to know that every X3D scene has a tree structure and thus contains no loops.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So each node only has one parent, and perhaps multiple ancestors in a straight line above that (each with only one parent).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These kinds of relationships and constraints can appear in many ways outside of X3D. Also interesting:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li style="margin-left:0in">Wikipedia: Tree structure<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTree_structure&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7C6995fc01be50439d6b0b08db02386eb9%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638106213646601157%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Ke5KVJ7evmT2FjauZwdUgumcvyvSiajL%2Fy8HSLLh9Vc%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_structure" shash="cv+7YPXvX9pGbNehMjRGhzKj8eLlLA/Mz0bnD6qAWM/Po2yUvZ8OxytYIwpxJixTcKTeavmtZR6PP+pYVlfbCs222g1d4VughSD4ZdXRcnFEKjOIB8dAWRO6E/uT7eSMxfArvI7kW2dRAvLPEufPzpR/L13N9aJkN9OlJiGaLyU=" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_structure</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 28, 2023 10:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: HAnim2 LOA4 Hierarchy from X3DUOM<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Make that 2 USE and 1 DEF.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ugh, i fall into confusion now.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The parents have different names and the child has 1 DEF and 2 USE.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually I haven’t checked my code for “several parent” issues yet. I have no idea what several parents would look like, except for 3 USE/1 DEF nodes with same name field value. I’m pretty sure this only applies to LOA4—we don’t have
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<p class="MsoNormal">If this is not yet included in your tools, that would be helpful to check.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope we haven’t lost this info!<u></u><u></u></p>
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LOA-4 Hierarchy.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spot check:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal">Joint vl5 has parent humanoid_root<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">Joint l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">Joint r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am hoping that someone can check that <i>everything</i> matches correctly -- hey, this should match your body too! Any remaining parent-child relationship errors that are similar to yesterday’s errors should stand out. All corrections
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is another great confirmation test to continue improving our confidence when producing and diagnosing the correctness of HAnim models. The autogeneration stylesheet and these results are all checked into version control, and they
are now part of our production chain for X3D4 validation. I will continue work on various other autogenerated diagnostics (X3D Schematron, X3D Validator, X3D-Edit etc.) and report when everything is ready.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again to Joe and John for dogged persistence tracking down the errors in the first place. Essential work.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/HAnimLOA4HierarchyTable.txt" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/HAnimLOA4HierarchyTable.txt</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Authoritative reference: HAnim version 2, Part 1: Humanoid animation (HAnim) architecture,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> clause 4 Concepts, section 4.9.6.4 LOA</span><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‑</span><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New"">4 hierarchy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_1 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | | l_tarsal_interphalangeal_1 : l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_cuneonavicular_2 : l_cuneiform_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_cuneonavicular_3 : l_cuneiform_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_tarsometatarsal_3 : l_metatarsal_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_3 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 : l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_3 : l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_calcaneocuboid : l_calcaneus</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_transversetarsal : l_cuboid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_tarsometatarsal_4 : l_metatarsal_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_4 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 : l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_4 : l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_tarsometatarsal_5 : l_metatarsal_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_metatarsophalangeal_5 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 : l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_5 : l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_hip : r_thigh</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_knee : r_calf</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_talocrural : r_talus</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_talocalcaneonavicular : r_navicular</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_cuneonavicular_1 : r_cuneiform_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_tarsometatarsal_1 : r_metatarsal_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_metatarsophalangeal_1 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_tarsal_interphalangeal_1 : r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_cuneonavicular_2 : r_cuneiform_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_tarsometatarsal_2 : r_metatarsal_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_metatarsophalangeal_2 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 : r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2 : r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_cuneonavicular_3 : r_cuneiform_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_tarsometatarsal_3 : r_metatarsal_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_metatarsophalangeal_3 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 : r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_3 : r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_calcaneocuboid : r_calcaneus</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_transversetarsal : r_cuboid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_tarsometatarsal_4 : r_metatarsal_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_metatarsophalangeal_4 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 : r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_4 : r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_tarsometatarsal_5 : r_metatarsal_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_metatarsophalangeal_5 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 : r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_5 : r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vl5 : l5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vl4 : l4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vl3 : l3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vl2 : l2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vl1 : l1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt12 : t12</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt11 : t11</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt10 : t10</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt9 : t9</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt8 : t8</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt7 : t7</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt6 : t6</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt5 : t5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt4 : t4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt3 : t3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt2 : t2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vt1 : t1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> vc7 : c7</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | vc6 : c6</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | vc5 : c5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | vc4 : c4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | vc3 : c3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | vc2 : c2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | vc1 : c1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | skullbase : skull</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_eyelid_joint : l_eyelid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_eyelid_joint : r_eyelid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_eyeball_joint : l_eyeball</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_eyeball_joint : r_eyeball</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_eyebrow_joint : l_eyebrow</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_eyebrow_joint : r_eyebrow</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | temporomandibular : jaw</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> l_sternoclavicular : l_clavicle</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_acromioclavicular : l_scapula</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_shoulder : l_upperarm</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_elbow : l_forearm</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_radiocarpal : l_carpal</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_midcarpal_1 : l_trapezium</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpometacarpal_1 : l_metacarpal_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_1 : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_interphalangeal_1 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_midcarpal_2 : l_trapezoid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpometacarpal_2 : l_metacarpal_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_2 : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_2 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_midcarpal_3 : l_capitate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpometacarpal_3 : l_metacarpal_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_3 : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_3 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_midcarpal_4_5 : l_hamate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_carpometacarpal_4 : l_metacarpal_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_4 : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | | l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_4 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_carpometacarpal_5 : l_metacarpal_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_metacarpophalangeal_5 : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_5 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_sternoclavicular : r_clavicle</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_acromioclavicular : r_scapula</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_shoulder : r_upperarm</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_elbow : r_forearm</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_radiocarpal : r_carpal</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_midcarpal_1 : r_trapezium</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpometacarpal_1 : r_metacarpal_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_metacarpophalangeal_1 : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_interphalangeal_1 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_midcarpal_2 : r_trapezoid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpometacarpal_2 : r_metacarpal_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_metacarpophalangeal_2 : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_2 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_2</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_midcarpal_3 : r_capitate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpometacarpal_3 : r_metacarpal_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_metacarpophalangeal_3 : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_3 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_3</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_midcarpal_4_5 : r_hamate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_carpometacarpal_4 : r_metacarpal_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_metacarpophalangeal_4 : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> | r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_4 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_4</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_carpometacarpal_5 : r_metacarpal_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_metacarpophalangeal_5 : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt; font-family:"Courier New""> r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_5 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 27, 2023 7:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>>; John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for discussion Joe, really helpful. We definitely have had some mixed signals here.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Summary of changes we applied to HAnim schema relationships:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal">Joint vl5 has parent humanoid_root<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">Joint l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">Joint r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will work on updating these corrections into all the tools accordingly – X3DUOM, X3D Schematron, X3DJSAIL Java, X3DPSAIL Python, and X3D-Edit..<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks too for fixing multiple models together.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Awesome work, sincere thanks, take care.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
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brutzman@nps.edu</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span>
<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>; John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<li class="MsoNormal">vl5 has parent humanoid_root rather than expected sacroiliac
<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7 <u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Don, these three items serve as a summary when processing a model that is correct according to the diagram.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Much to discuss regarding some existing examples. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Joe<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:09 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">Joseph D Williams</a>;
<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">John Carlson</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like progress, but not quite focused enough to make any fixes yet…. Clarity his critical. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hopefully you guys can create a simple list consisting of simple triplets:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal">suspect joint or segment name, <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">the incorrect parent described in the X3D XML schema,, and <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">the correct parent shown by the diagrams in the specifications.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If there is such a simple list of a few names/errors/corrections available, I hope to have some time Monday or Tuesday afternoon to work on it together. Onward…<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">v/r Don<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 21, 2023 11:07:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>>; Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
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<p>Hi, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The expected ones are not correct. Vl5 is a child of root and sternos and vc7 are childs of vt1. The schematron claims are wrong.
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<p>The schematron is wrong according to the Concepts 4 diagrams for loa3 and loa4.
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<li class="MsoNormal">Yes, vl5 is a child of sacroiliac, according to Joe. X3DUOM/schematron wins!<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p>No, vl5 is a child of root. Schematron is wrong.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The diagrams are correct. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Joe<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:46 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">Joe D Williams</a>;
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vl5 has parent humanoid_root rather than expected sacroiliac. Yes, vl5 is a child of sacroiliac, according to Joe. X3DUOM/schematron wins!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7. Please confirm.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7. Please confirm. <u></u><u></u></p>
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