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<div dir="ltr">Please send all changes to me (Don Brutzman) and cc: X3D-Public list. If there is discussion we get to it Fridays. If people send something way convoluted then nothing happens. Same as always.</div>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New";line-height:1.5">all the best, Don</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New";line-height:1.5">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <span> </span><span dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0, 120, 212)">brutzman@nps.edu</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New";line-height:1.5">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA <span> </span><span dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0, 120, 212)">+1.831.656.2149</span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New";line-height:1.5">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 31, 2023 11:40:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Browser Comparison > sorting, Levels for GLTF and HTML</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Don how do I submit changes to the archival quality spreadsheet you gave a link to?<br>
<div>Thanks, Doug</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:59 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">John, why not use our published links? I won’t be maintaining documents at Google Docs links, they are not archival.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="x_m_-6271619921543282412MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications</a><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style="color:black; background:rgb(204,255,255)"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Updated.</span></i><span style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.xlsx" target="_blank">X3D
Node Inventory Comparison</a> (<a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.pdf" target="_blank">.pdf</a>) shows node-by-node implementation coverage of the X3D Abstract Specification: validation using X3D Schema, X3D DOCTYPE, and
X3D Schematron; X3D Tooltips and VRML97 node sets; plus selected open-source implementations: FreeWrl, X3DOM, X_ITE, view3dscene (Castle Game Engine), X3D-Edit, Xj3D.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_m_-6271619921543282412MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.xlsx" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.xlsx</a><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_m_-6271619921543282412MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">As ever, I am happy to integrate and publish all changes and additions to the spreadsheet. It is also maintained in version control so that we have the reliability of a full change-by-change history.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="x_m_-6271619921543282412MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fp%2Fx3d%2Fcode%2FHEAD%2Ftree%2Fwww.web3d.org%2Fspecifications&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Ce7c3c65aec6945863cd508db03c3036e%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638107908335380807%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jYTmkkCQa%2B2R38DNjxZzsOpie%2BygLH2kZZQxWQvgUT8%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/specifications" shash="nvp/y2vyhuV3YcN8DCjznD4tBVvIuqgBO76EGRVs37N0FGU531T7UuO8Zkb5/jxxzsqO31WJ6mniKL02YxPSu3SJlh05WEee2szJkqLx/nyBuB4tFQ0tbGhbC9nhVhyOvpIDbqmqtsjUKGba5t2kNhb2q1Rtvn5Vs0lWro25Yt4=" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/specifications</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">If the spreadsheet above contains macros that should be removed, we can work on that. Meanwhile the PDF version (published from the spreadsheet) should be secure to everyone’s satisfaction, on whatever operating system and tool setup
that they are using.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Some of your notes below sound pretty extensive… feel free to explore new comparisons using whatever document you like, we can integrate later once it reaches some level of stability.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Further improvements always welcome, this is a recurring weekly topic on X3D Working Group videoconferences. Again thanks for further pursuit of progress.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span>
<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>GPU Group<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 30, 2023 6:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [x3d-public] Browser Comparison > sorting, Levels for GLTF and HTML<u></u><u></u></p>
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