<div dir="ltr">Edge shows a warning sign, saying not frequently downloaded, and there's a "..." you hit that and choose "keep anyway"<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 10:15 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Note, FreeWRL 6.1 download got "cancelled" by Edge. Looks like you'll have to worship Microsoft.<div><br></div><div>I will try with Chrome and Firefox.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:10 AM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm going to try FreeWRL 6.1 since you've updated. FreeWRL 4.0 still is good for many tasks, even OpenGL<div><br></div><div>John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 9:13 AM GPU Group <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">You are welcome to make some prototype nodes.<div><a href="https://freewrl.sourceforge.io/tests/43_MIDI/" target="_blank">https://freewrl.sourceforge.io/tests/43_MIDI/</a> <br></div><div>test_js_make_parse_UMPdouble.x3d </div><div>- some example code for making and parsing a MIDI 2 UMP packet or MIDI 1 message from a Script node</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:58 AM GPU Group <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><ul><li style="margin-left:15px">W3C Web MIDI API, draft</li><li style="margin-left:15px"><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://webaudio.github.io/web-midi-api/" target="_blank">https://webaudio.github.io/web-midi-api/</a></li></ul><div>PS this spec is MIDI 1 protocol -- messages - a stream of bytes with a count/length.. MIDI 2 uses fixed size packets called UMP universal midi packet, and for long messages sends continuation packets.<br></div><div>Freewrl version 6.1 windows version has an option on the launcher panel for MIDI transport, 1 or 2. If 1 it uses MIDI1 messages, if 2 it uses MIDI2 packets.</div><div><a href="http://midi.org" target="_blank">midi.org</a> has released their midi 2 specs in July</div><div><a href="https://www.midi.org/specifications" target="_blank">https://www.midi.org/specifications</a> <br></div><div>and you can create a free log in account, and download the midi 1 and 2 specs. For MIDI 2 message to packet conversion, I downloaded the "Universal MIDI Packet (UMP) Format
and MIDI 2.0 Protocol" pdf, and Appendix D shows how to convert MIDI 1 messages to/from UMP.</div><div><a href="https://freewrl.sourceforge.io/tests/43_MIDI/" target="_blank">https://freewrl.sourceforge.io/tests/43_MIDI/</a> <br></div><div>NOTES_midi.txt </div><div>- shows my current 'exploratory proof of concept' node designs.</div><div>- comments welcome</div><div>-Doug</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:26 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<li> John, i know of no event animation chain for X3D that cannot be expressed using X3D4 ROUTE connections using interpolators, sequencers, and event utility nodes. Chasers, dampers, and Script node provides further capabilities for variation. X3D4 architecture
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<div dir="ltr">If you want to adapt things in a different way, repeatably, then great - please write a prototype. The X in X3D is Extensible. <span></span></div>
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<li dir="ltr"> Doug, we have had great success mapping Web Audio API to X3D4. I think we have a similar path forward to X3D4.1 for MIDI.
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<div>Once again, X3D prototypes and Script node can provide a useful path forward for design, implementation, and evaluation of new nodes. <span style="text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;display:inline">Usage
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<div dir="ltr">Given that Web3D Consortium has a formal liaison partnership with W3C, designated Web3D members can further participate in Audio Working Group to share design considerations and suggest refinements in the draft W3C MIDI API. Membership has value!<span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">MIDI nodes are a bit like that - you can design the event sequence / timing in a MIDI authoring tool, then play the .mid file and route from ToneSplitter. I'm thinking about a fireworks scene combining particle physics and midi event sequencing.
Perhaps we need something more general, as a utility node set.
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<div dir="auto">Conceptually one could do this with a switch, but i don’t know about events from the switch to enable the child TimeSensor or the startTime.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If you tell me to do use a Script, why not put imperative code in an encoding instead?</div>
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I would like something like a TimeSensorSequencerGroup that enables and disables children TimeSensors in order of appearance in the code, if such a thing exists. No need to fiddle with TimeSensor fields, the SequencerGroup does it for you.
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<div dir="auto">I know this is imperative programming, and not declarative, but sometimes, you’ve got to bite the bullet of simplicity.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks!</div>
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