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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Very interesting, thanks for sharing Andreas. We should all be thinking of regularizing some example design patterns like animation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Meanwhile, your example is the kind that makes me think we should have a description field for ROUTE.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'> <ROUTE fromField='cycleTime' fromNode='TIME1' toField='stopTime' toNode='TIME1'/><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'> <ROUTE fromField='cycleTime' fromNode='TIME1' toField='startTime' toNode='TIME2'/><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Potential alternative approaches for ROUTE comments: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoPlainText style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'>Comments? Sure, but sometimes get stripped, and not unambiguously readable by tools.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoPlainText style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'>Prototype extension? Too complex and error prone, fuggedaboutit.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoPlainText style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'>Metadata nodes? Hmm, we can't make those part of ROUTE statements themselves, not allowed.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Maybe some clumsy-but-unambiguous convention like the following already-legal X3D fragment:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'><MetadataSet name=”RouteDescriptions” reference=”someWeb3dRecommendedPracticeURL”><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'> <MetadataString name=”ROUTE” value=”TIME1.cycleTime TO Time2.startTime”/><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'> <MetadataString name=”ROUTE” value=”TIME1.cycleTime TO Time1.stopTime”/><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'> <MetadataString name=”description” value=”trigger the other ROUTE, then turn itself off”/><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'></MetadataSet><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Of course simplest future approach would be to give ROUTE a description field. Hmmm, maybe someday.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Might deserve a Mantis issue for X3D4.1 if others agree some potential value exists for future consideation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: x3d-public <x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org> On Behalf Of Andreas Plesch<br>Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 1:43 PM<br>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br>Subject: Re: [x3d-public] start timer at fraction 0 after scene loading</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Here is an initial count down after loading the scene using the same autostart method, and a sequencer:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/dev.html?url=https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andreasplesch/3f7ea30b9860b6399c797c51e3235459/raw/d17f9d2a0a258569ac5a474c36a68208674d535e/countdown.x3d<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>https://create3000.github.io/x_ite/playground/?url=https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andreasplesch/3f7ea30b9860b6399c797c51e3235459/raw/d17f9d2a0a258569ac5a474c36a68208674d535e/countdown.x3d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-Andreas<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 1:01 AM Andreas Plesch <<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>andreasplesch@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Another method apart from a ProximitySensor to start a timer without <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> user interaction after scene loading is to use two TimeSensors. 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