<div dir="auto">I am in agreement, Don. Once one drills down a bit, a lot of information is available. Making drill down more apparent would help, as I missed it the first time.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Great news on C/C++/C#. I am hoping to link my JSON to C++ conversions with the C++ .dll from Myeong at some point. Perhaps linking with OpenInventor, FreeWRL or Coin3D would be possible? Will there be XSLT stylesheets for conversion to these three languages?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">CPPON encoding remains a possible protocol for constructing scenegraphs over the web, I’m not really pushing it, but an ANTLR .g4 grammar is available. Ideally, there would be a C++ X3D binding that uses a fluent interface similar to X3DJSAIL.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What may be next in my future is generating a tree-sitter X3D JSON grammar from X3DUOM. This would provide incremental parsing for many IDEs, including NeoVim and Emacs. Let me know if X3D-Edit already supports incremental parsing, thanks! Note that there’s already LSPs (language server protocol) for JSON schemas, and tree-sitter-json. Maybe I’ll come up with a X3D JSON grammar that can be standardized by X3D. But my guess is the grammar would be in JSON, so not really solving anything. Any knowledge of incremental parsers or LSPs for .gltf welcome!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 1:28 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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This page looks very thorough to me, covering all our standards. It is useful. I agree with some minor discrepancies:</div>
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<div>Dick and I are working on 19776-1 XML Encoding plus 19776-2 ClassicVRML Encoding, and hope to offer them to X3D community for review this calendar year.</div>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:9pt">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 23, 2024 8:34 PM</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div id="m_2043172654567947152divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
<b>To:</b> Extensible 3D (X3D) Graphics public discussion <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Casting the MetaVerse: new MV standards register / database</span>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hi Don , </span></p>
<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Looking back through some old messages I saw this and checked the register. </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://xr-metaverse-standards-register.vdc-fellbach.de/?filter=SDO-%3AWeb3D" id="m_2043172654567947152OWAe70d4ed0-e3f0-4782-05a1-7f78b82d241b" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">XR
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://xr-metaverse-standards-register.vdc-fellbach.de/?filter=SDO-%3AWeb3D" id="m_2043172654567947152OWA331bd97e-d148-899d-98e6-2d5c046389b2" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://xr-metaverse-standards-register.vdc-fellbach.de/?filter=SDO-%3AWeb3D</a></span></p>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Standards are listed but it would be nice if in some better order.</span></p>
<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Can we add links that say all these standards, series, are available free in html for download. </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">From <a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">web3d.org</a> </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Recommended Standards</span></p>
<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/standards" id="m_2043172654567947152OWA289655c5-34ad-fb5e-c723-9d624b303647" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/standards</a></span></p>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">From International Organization for Standardization: </span></p>
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">19774, 19775, 19776, 19777 series </span></p>
<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html" id="m_2043172654567947152OWA08115895-9895-a673-534d-0d50a8aa59ea" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">Publicly
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<p style="line-height:1;margin:0.1rem 0px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thanks and Best,</span></p>
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From: Extensible 3D (X3D) Graphics public discussion <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sep 26, 2024 6:38 AM<br>
To: Christoph Runde <<a href="mailto:christoph.runde@vdc-fellbach.de" target="_blank">christoph.runde@vdc-fellbach.de</a>><br>
Cc: Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>, Extensible 3D (X3D) Graphics public discussion <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a> <<a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:hanim@web3d.org" target="_blank">hanim@web3d.org</a> <<a href="mailto:hanim@web3d.org" target="_blank">hanim@web3d.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Casting the MetaVerse: new MV standards register / database</p>
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<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Building a publicly accessible database, or Register, of organizations, publications, projects and related to metaverse interoperability to enable navigation and analysis of the ecosystem of standardization
activities relevant to building an open metaverse to identify connections and gaps. To ensure accuracy and relevance, data in the Register is provided and maintained by qualified standards-related organizations that are approved for Register upload access.
Also creating a Metaverse Standards Glossary to enable the metaverse community to communicate clearly, concisely and consistently about components and concepts captured in the Register.</span></div>
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<div id="m_2043172654567947152x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b> x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>> on behalf of Christoph Runde via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 26, 2024 9:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Extensible 3D (X3D) Graphics public discussion <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a> <<a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:hanim@web3d.org" target="_blank">hanim@web3d.org</a> <<a href="mailto:hanim@web3d.org" target="_blank">hanim@web3d.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Christoph Runde <<a href="mailto:christoph.runde@vdc-fellbach.de" target="_blank">christoph.runde@vdc-fellbach.de</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Casting the MetaVerse: new MV standards register / database</span>
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<div>I assume the largest register /database on XR and metaverse standards, recommendations, working groups and SDOs can now be found here:<br>
<a href="https://xr-metaverse-standards-register.vdc-fellbach.de/" id="m_2043172654567947152OWAe17625b2-a417-6409-e9f7-b02f95bea049" target="_blank">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fxr-metaverse-standards-register.vdc-fellbach.de%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7C8bf13c08a0804316b6dc08dcde0767dd%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638629371593814818%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Ba9QdDSzSMDf%2B5iewlEmHObpAKel4CiQr04YVugHQP4%3D&reserved=0</a>
. It's freely accessible; feel free to share. Happy to take new contributions to this shared knowlegde base!<br>
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Kind regards<br>
Christoph Runde<br>
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Von: x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>> Im Auftrag von Joe D Williams via x3d-public<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2024 08:07<br>
An: <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-ecosystem@web3d.org</a>; <a href="mailto:hanim@web3d.org" target="_blank">hanim@web3d.org</a><br>
Cc: Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>><br>
Betreff: [x3d-public] Casting the MetaVerse<br>
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Have I Got Some Metaverse Standards For You - IEEE Metaverse (<a href="https://metaversereality.ieee.org/publications/newsletter/have-i-got-some-metaverse-standards-for-you" id="m_2043172654567947152OWA00d26563-68d5-01ee-8f4b-e6c485ab302c" target="_blank">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetaversereality.ieee.org%2Fpublications%2Fnewsletter%2Fhave-i-got-some-metaverse-standards-for-you&data=05%7C02%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7C8bf13c08a0804316b6dc08dcde0767dd%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638629371593841728%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Fg%2Bg0EKN7DiANsBWBPwWQmVt6aknbS5J8dPGj11y26k%3D&reserved=0</a>)<br>
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The promise of standards.<br>
Things happen slow and deliberately<br>
Fun with interoperable megaversiality stuff Joe <br>
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