<div dir="auto">If we discuss WHAT, it’s the same thing all over again.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201&version=NIV">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201&version=NIV</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">There are already viruses of all types.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What I’m doing is creating DB-Emacs for the deafblind, the doing a social network for the deafblind. You’re welcome to join me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your next question is, is there money in it? The social network will need contacts, that’s JSONverse in DB-Emacs. Contacts becomes Customer Relations Management system. Add 3D and it manages 3D assets. Then people want to sell assets and it becomes a 3D model store. Then people have to manage the store, that’s work. I could go on. I could use an architect. It’s a whole lot like Product Lifecycle Management. I call it Product 1.0.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">God called me to the deafblind. My original idea was to have a program by dance project.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My current idea is to translate Emacs source code to Formal SignWriting. You can look into it. We can probably trust that the robotics people can come up with sign language output. What we need is a corresponding input method for deafblind sign language. I need to study that. Join the Metaverse Standards Forum Discord and the accessibility channel.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 7:46 AM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div>Hi John,<br><br>I do not want to discuss all those terms (XR, AR, AV, VR), as I have the feeling, they are descriptions of concrete technologies, that tell us, HOW something is implemented.<br><br>My concern is about WHAT are we doing with them?<br><br>More technological term: what's the use case? <br><br>Or generally, what are the effects on society, on the psyche of the people.<br><br>More a philosophic point of view, if you like.<br><br>All the best<br>CP/V<br><br><div>--<br>Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App</div><div style="line-height:1"><br><div style="line-height:1"><br>Am 02.05.25, 14:23 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <x3d-public@<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">web3d.org</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
<div dir="auto">MR used to be a derogatory term. Not preferred.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 6:49 AM Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div>Correction:<br><br>I mean, MR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of reality, which deals with immersive, interactive, multiuser story telling, command and control<br><br><div>--<br>Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App</div><div style="line-height:1"><br><div style="line-height:1"><br>Am 02.05.25, 13:41 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <x3d-public@<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">web3d.org</a>>:</div></div></div><div><div style="line-height:1"><div style="line-height:1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
The "metaverse" is the thing, that is perceived by the user, but that's nothing, that must be specified<br><br><div>--<br>Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App</div><div style="line-height:1"><br><div style="line-height:1"><br>Am 02.05.25, 13:33 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <x3d-public@<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">web3d.org</a>>:</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height:1"><div style="line-height:1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div style="line-height:1"><div style="line-height:1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="line-height:1"><div style="line-height:1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
Hi,<br><br>I like "mixed reality = virtual reality + real reality".<br><br>I mean, VR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of reality, which deals with immersive, interactive story telling, command and control<br><br><div>--<br>Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App</div><div style="line-height:1"><br><div style="line-height:1"><br>Am 30.04.25, 20:33 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <x3d-public@<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">web3d.org</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
<div dir="auto">I kind of like “Spatial Internet” is to Metaverse/World as Internet is to Website.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Perhaps “extended-reality” would be better than “virtual-reality.” Meaning we’ve extended beyond mere VR into other accessible media including the passive and active external environments.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This means that real objects with behaviors can be brought into each metaverse, and many metaverses can be viewed in the metaverse, and state can transfer between metaverses via the external environments.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">XRML anyone?</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:06 PM Joe D Williams via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br>
This XR idea of our blossoming metaverse to integrate <br>
realtime Spatial anchors and assets of the current reality <br>
with realtime Scene anchors and assets of the current virtuality <br>
means the metaverse definition of our Immersive Web<br>
needs to be extended. <br>
<br>
>From Google Dictionary <br>
(Current) Definition from Oxford Languages · <br>
met·a·verse <br>
/ˈmedəˌvərs/ <br>
noun Computing <br>
<br>
"a virtual-reality space in which users can interact with<br>
a computer-generated environment and other users"<br>
<br>
New Extended Candidate: <br>
metaverse or webiverse or webimetaverse, or whatever, you get the idea. <br>
<br>
"a virtual-reality space in which a user can interact with <br>
the real external environment, <br>
a computer-generated environment, <br>
and other real and virtual users" <br>
<br>
All Good for the WWW,<br>
Joe<br>
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